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<p>Hi Roger,</p>
<p>thank you for your questions. I try to answer below<br>
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<pre>Be specific, is it for having more address for the end-users? Datacenter?
Services? Infrastructure? IPv6-to-IPv4 services? CGN? Proxyes?
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</span> It's happening: end customers of new operators
(read as new LIRs) are requesting new services such as
datacenters or multihoming and IPv6 deployment in the
meanwhile.<br>
Those are the tipical request that I reiceve. For
example to multihome and bgp a customer I need a /24<br>
What if I have no address space to provide? I can ask
my customer to sign up and he will get a /22
automatically wasting a 3 x /24<br>
I think in many cases this is why we are registering
such new sign up growth trends.<br>
I already said in past emails that when I started our
business of fiber optic provider the carrier said to us
"ask us for transport and access but not for addresses.
sign up and get yours"<br>
This is reflecting in all the chain from top to bottom.
This could be a point where to act. If we turn the
request re-introducing justification and we turn minimum
request to a /24<br>
we can address this kind of problem while slowing down
LIRs sign up rate to obtain a /23 or /24 to address this
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hope this help in understand small player needings<br>
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<div>You have given me no real reason, just nice to have. We
passed nice to have some years ago.<br>
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<div>End users cannot continue to get a /24, there are not
enough address space for that, sorry but that's life. Sure
some operators have enough and that's unfair for others.
Only way for them to get something like that is to either
become LIR, or use IPv6. Why is it so hard to understand
that?<br>
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I meant a datacenter to be multihomed.<br>
I consider my customers that hosts a datacenter to be multihomed to
be end-users since they are interested only in their own business
and don't care about IP or LIRs stuff.<br>
They just need good quality internet presence and availability.<br>
My tipical business customer is software houses / saas clusters
hosting company / or datacenter itself.<br>
I would use "consumer" for end user home customer.<br>
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<div>So I ask _again_, where is the IPv4 need? What type of
usage is it ment for? We've passed the "it's nice to have"
some years ago, now we're down to , do you _really_ need
10 addresses? Can you survive with 2 and deploy IPv6?<br>
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I think I answered, It's not nice to have, It's business demand and
LIRs should be able to offer... with a /22 I can serve just up to 2
or 3 of my tipical business customers.<br>
This is lack of competitiveness.<br>
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Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE<br>
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The Key!<br>
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regards<br>
Riccardo<br>
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