<div dir="ltr">Ian,<div><br></div><div>This policy isn't going to change the ability of a large organisation to grown since the amount of space we're talking about is relatively small, and totally trivial to an LIR with (the equivalent of) nearly 700 /22s.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't think the policy fails the test of "fairness" simply because larger LIRs won't be getting addresses as the "benefit" of an additional /22 would be marginal for them anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>I would hope that large LIRs don't make objections to this proposal just because they don't see any benefit to them - that come come across as selfish.</div><div><br></div><div>If we limit the allocation of remaining space to brand new LIRs only, it means that small ISPs in their first growth spurt might be driven to form a second LIR to get that second /22 of space..</div><div><br></div><div>I know companies who've done this. It isn't sensible. The proposal makes it possible to achieve the sensible result without resorting to stupid behaviour.</div><div><br></div><div>Aled </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 April 2016 at 16:08, Dickinson, Ian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Ian.Dickinson@sky.uk" target="_blank">Ian.Dickinson@sky.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">"Small" providers want to grow.<br>
"Large" providers want to grow too.<br>
"Medium" providers presumably want to grow as well.<br>
(for some value of "grow")<br>
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In all cases, this means IPv6, not IPv4.<br>
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I prefer the current policy that is in place.<br>
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Ian<br>
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And why is that Ian ?<br>
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Dominik<br>
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I object to this proposal as written.<br>
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I do not believe there should be any distinction in policy based on a notional arbitrary "size" of LIR.<br>
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Ian<br>
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Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2015-05 Discussion Period extended until 13 May 2016 (Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision)<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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The Discussion Period for the policy proposal 2015-05, "Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision" has been extended until 13 May 2016.<br>
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The goal of this proposal is to allow LIRs to request an additional /22<br>
IPv4 allocation from the RIPE NCC every 18 months.<br>
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The text of the proposal has been revised based on mailing list feedback and we have published a new version (2.0) today. As a result, a new Discussion Phase has started for the proposal.<br>
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Some of the differences from version 1.0 include:<br>
- Additional /22 IPv4 allocations can be only provided from address space outside 185/8<br>
- Only LIRs with less than a /20 in total are eligible to receive additional allocations<br>
- LIRs must document their IPv6 deployment as part of the request<br>
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You can find the full proposal at:<br>
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<a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-05" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-05</a><br>
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We encourage you to review this policy proposal and send your comments to <<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>>.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Marco Schmidt<br>
Policy Development Officer<br>
RIPE NCC<br>
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