<div dir="ltr">Hi Remco:<div><br></div><div>I can assure you it is not speculative(and I apologise if I give this feeling in any way), it was an pure "academic" discussion about the definition of the *need*.</div><div><br></div><div>And btw I do believe people are allowed to ask dum question here and the community should help people understand how things work, not everybody can afford to go to RIPE meeting and not everybody can go to training, mailing list remain the cheapest and most effective way still today to help people learning.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Remco van Mook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:remco.vanmook@gmail.com" target="_blank">remco.vanmook@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><br></div>Hi Lu,<div><br></div><div>just to be clear on this - since your question was a hypothetical one about something that might have been policy at some point (but certainly not current policy), your question wasn't strictly a policy question, and could be very well seen as speculative. Given the subject of your question, I can fully understand why people have reservations about this discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Remco</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div> <br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 04 Dec 2015, at 10:15 , Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com" target="_blank">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>Thanks Vladislav for the clear answer.</div><div><br></div><div>And for the list, this is an answer I would like to receive, clear and easy.</div><div><br></div><div>The example was very simple so I was expecting an simple answer as well.</div><div><br></div><div>(I got an feeling that anything I say in the list was wrong, I hope it does not become personal again, I am asking a policy question in a policy discussion mailing list and nothing more than that).</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:poty@iiat.ru" target="_blank">poty@iiat.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="RU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hello,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">To answer your question you can look at the obsoleted forms used for “registering” an assignment. There was no particular points to geographic locations of a network, so relocation the untouched set of assets to another place (or even changing them in the margins of the initial request) did not require a new request/notification. It was the answer to the first question.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The second question is more complex. But it seems removing one of the locations did not change <b>the need</b> for the assigned /24, so the answer to the question should be the same as the previous one.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Vladislav Potapov<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ru.iiat<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> address-policy-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lu Heng<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [address-policy-wg] An interesting policy question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I have an policy question regarding Ripe policy before adoption of "no need" policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">We all know that before the no need policy, when Ripe makes an assignment, while the "need" has changed, the assignment become invalid.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">The question come to what the definition of need. Below I have few examples, please provide your view:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">First one:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Company A provides 100 customer dedicated server service at location A, Ripe makes an assignment for 100 IP for his infrastructure, if, under condition that no other factor was changed, Company A moved his infrastructure to location B, but still providing same service to same customer, does the company's action need to be notified to RIR? And does this action considered invalid the original assignment?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Second one:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Company A provides web hosting service, but any casted in 3 location, and has provided the evidence of 3 location to the RIR during the time the company getting valid assignment, then A decided to cut 3 location to 2 location, does this invalid original assignment and need to be notified to RIR?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">So the bottom line is, what is the definition of need, is it defined as the service you are providing or defined as whole package of any of original justification material was provided, if was the later, then does it imply that anything, including location of the infrastructure, upstream providers etc has changed due to operational need, it will be considered as change of purpose of use and need to be notified to RIR?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">What should be the right interpretation of the policy by then?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">--<br>Kind regards.<br>Lu<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--<br>Kind regards.<br>Lu<br><br></div></div></div>
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