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Dear Ciprian,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These is are false accusations and I please ask you to stop
attacking me personally. As I said, if you or someone else have
questions about my activity at RIPE NCC, you should contact me
personally or the RIPE NCC directly. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I understand that my policy proposal can upset you and other
people. My intention is not to propose a policy that will affect
your business but to propose something that will benefit the
entire community. </div>
<div>I also understand that we are competitors in the IP Broker
space but in this mailing list I am simply talking as a member of
the RIPE community. I believe that defaming competition is not a
good practice and this is definitely not the place. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again, I apologize if my policy proposal upsets you and other
people and I can assure you that my intention is to propose
something that will benefit all of us (the RIPE Community) in the
long term. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Elvis</div>
<br>
PS: Gert, I know I promised yesterday I will no longer reply back to
attacks, but I had to reply to this one and ask Ciprian (one more
time) to stop. Can you also do something about it?<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/06/15 06:43, Callum Stuart wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:B480E5E9522C4B63BDD5031F3281E5E0@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>Hello, </div>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);">One people
named WW circulated the following info privately to a large
group of people in ripe region. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);">can you swear
that there was no conflict of interests ? compared with
the FIFA corruption and collapse, how about we involves the
investigation by FBI or Gov authority? maybe only through
this way, the truth can be disclosed to the PUBLIC. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis, who
used to work in RIPE from Nov, 2007 to May 2013, has
conspired with his countryman and allocated plenty of
RIPE IPv4 blocks to their own registered shell companies
without employees. </i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis
established its brokerage company as soon as he resigned
from RIPE and has sold out IPv4 blocks that he had
reserved into his “own account” ( one of the sale was to
Saudi Telecommunication and the sale price is around
7US). This is not just an ethics problem here and he is
committing the CRIME! Ironically, it will so easy to
become rich almost in one night by doing what Elvis has
done. How can RIPE just turn a blind eye on his
committed Crime ?</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><i><br>
</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis has
taken the advantage of his role as the IPRA ( he knows
better about what IP values and the policy loopholes than
the others ) and purposely allocated plenty of IPv4
blocks to his own shell for the speculation. </i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><i><br>
</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Congrats to
Elvis, he has succeeded in becoming a millionaire by
committing crime! Shame on those who do nothing to stop
the crime. </i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><i><br>
</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Cobalt IT
(Evolva) same position like Elvis.. at same company.. </i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><i><br>
</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35); min-height:
14px;"><i><br>
</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>See the
evidences including ( company registration info,
resources, linkedin profiles etc) in the attachment. </i></p>
</div>
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<div> 1. Re: RIPE != RIPE NCC (Nick Hilliard)</div>
<div> 2. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
3rd time)</div>
<div> (Elvis Daniel Velea)</div>
<div> 3. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
3rd time)</div>
<div> (Silvia Hagen)</div>
<div> 4. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
3rd time)</div>
<div> (Hannigan, Martin)</div>
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<div>Message: 1</div>
<div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:03:03 +0100</div>
<div>From: Nick Hilliard <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nick@inex.ie">nick@inex.ie</a>></div>
<div>To: Randy Bush <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>>,
Sascha Luck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:apwg@c4inet.net">apwg@c4inet.net</a>></div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC</div>
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<div>On 10/06/2015 14:03, Randy Bush wrote:</div>
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<div>
<div>what is missing here is that, if only LIRs
decided policy, a few</div>
<div>thousand folk (likely 10 people on a mailing
list), would decide policy</div>
<div>affecting millions internet users.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>~980m.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Message: 2</div>
<div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:16:19 +0300</div>
<div>From: Elvis Daniel Velea <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>></div>
<div>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
please stop (i ask</div>
<div> for the 3rd time)</div>
<div>Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:557846B3.1010009@velea.eu">557846B3.1010009@velea.eu</a>></div>
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<div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > so not that the policy is useless but it's
proposal was a mistake.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you
and I already asked </div>
<div>you to stop being rude, before you started the thread
below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even though I already responded to a message you have
sent yesterday </div>
<div>telling you that it's not nice what you are doing,
you have continued to </div>
<div>make false accusations and wrongfully interpret what
others have said. </div>
<div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were
just to start attacks </div>
<div>against me...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
</blockquote>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Please provide evidence for following claim,
otherwise you are just making</div>
<div>accusation without any support evidence.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
thousands of IPs, even approved</div>
<div>this last-second allocation. "</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on the
position to make final decision</div>
<div>about our allocation.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
during that allocations. I</div>
<div>only was refering to what you told us, that Elvis
was the one that</div>
<div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know what
happens behind the scene</div>
<div>but that should also bring some questions.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and
used your wrong </div>
<div>assumptions to start an attack against me. I was
under the impression </div>
<div>that you are better than this but it seems you are
not better than all </div>
<div>the others that have been attacking me over this
policy proposal because </div>
<div>their 'business' was affected. I wonder what kind of
business you have </div>
<div>if you publicly attack persons and companies relying
on your own false </div>
<div>assumptions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his
requests, he was </div>
<div>unhappy that I was very strict. He, as well as other
RIPE NCC Members </div>
<div>may have seen me as a very strict person when I was
working at the RIPE </div>
<div>NCC. That was only because I always thrive to be very
good at my job and </div>
<div>I have always verified (maybe too much) in depth all
the documentation </div>
<div>received from LIRs. Just as you have received the /28
IPv6 allocation </div>
<div>(for your extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs
may have have </div>
<div>received large IPv4 allocations when these were
justified.</div>
<div>If you are complaining that your request got reduced
from /13 to a /14, </div>
<div>you should have complained at that time, you should
have used all the </div>
<div>tools you had if you think at that time the IPRAs
were wrong - including </div>
<div>the last option, request the arbiters to evaluate
your request. You can </div>
<div>not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could have
received more if you </div>
<div>would have been less strict (and assume that we have
been less strict </div>
<div>others), especially because you have no idea how
strict the NCC IPRAs </div>
<div>have been with Lu.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this
proposal, you were </div>
<div>at the RIPE Meetings where this issue was discussed -
however, you </div>
<div>decided that the AP-WG is not worth of your effort
and you did not voice </div>
<div>any opinion.</div>
<div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start an
attack against me </div>
<div>(the proposer) and against some others that you feel
'received more IPs </div>
<div>from the RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in
2012.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Again, you are making false statement without
any evidence, in reality, I</div>
<div>have never done any business with Elvis now
and past.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>I don't know anything about any relation that
might be between you and</div>
<div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you
the IPs (approving the</div>
<div>requests).</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He
actually said that </div>
<div>found me to be 'unfriendly' - while actually I was
just strict, just as </div>
<div>with all the other requests I evaluated in the 6
years spent at the NCC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and before that you said:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
were allocated to you </div>
<div>by the same person that has initiated this proposal.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>only to then say:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > Yes, a few years ago he approved your
allocations and now he is </div>
<div>helping you sell the IPs.</div>
<div> > Obviously he only dreams about world peace and
there is no conflict </div>
<div>of interests here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You know, and have been aware of this information for
years, that one </div>
<div>single IPRA could not approve /16 or larger
allocations. However, you </div>
<div>started to attack me implying that I have helped Lu
receive the </div>
<div>allocations and that then I tried to help him sell
them. Plus, you know </div>
<div>(and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had
forgotten) that no </div>
<div>single IPRA could approve a /15 or larger allocation
without a second </div>
<div>IPRA's evaluation and management and senior
management approval.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian.
But I would advise </div>
<div>you to take a step or two back and look at all the
things you have </div>
<div>wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can
contact me directly </div>
<div>or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions
about my activity </div>
<div>at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about conflict of
interests or all kind </div>
<div>of conspiracy theories where there is none.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the
past two days. </div>
<div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>/elvis</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------------------------------</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Message: 3</div>
<div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:46:31 +0000</div>
<div>From: Silvia Hagen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>></div>
<div>To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>"</div>
<div> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
please stop (i ask</div>
<div> for the 3rd time)</div>
<div>Message-ID:
<F1D4404E5E6C614EB9D3083F4D15A7E7C84FB0@hex02></div>
<div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This thread is like a great piece of comedy, thanks
for entertainment</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Silvia</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----</div>
<div>Von: address-policy-wg [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea</div>
<div>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16</div>
<div>An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
<div>Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > so not that the policy is useless but it's
proposal was a mistake.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you
and I already asked you to stop being rude, before you
started the thread below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even though I already responded to a message you have
sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice what you
are doing, you have continued to make false accusations
and wrongfully interpret what others have said. </div>
<div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were
just to start attacks against me...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
</blockquote>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Please provide evidence for following claim,
otherwise you are just </div>
<div>making accusation without any support
evidence.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
thousands of IPs, even </div>
<div>approved this last-second allocation. "</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on the
position to make final </div>
<div>decision about our allocation.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
during that allocations. </div>
<div>I only was refering to what you told us, that
Elvis was the one that </div>
<div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know what
happens behind the </div>
<div>scene but that should also bring some questions.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and
used your wrong assumptions to start an attack against
me. I was under the impression that you are better than
this but it seems you are not better than all the others
that have been attacking me over this policy proposal
because their 'business' was affected. I wonder what
kind of business you have if you publicly attack persons
and companies relying on your own false assumptions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his
requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict. He, as
well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen me as a
very strict person when I was working at the RIPE NCC.
That was only because I always thrive to be very good at
my job and I have always verified (maybe too much) in
depth all the documentation received from LIRs. Just as
you have received the /28 IPv6 allocation (for your
extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs may have have
received large IPv4 allocations when these were
justified.</div>
<div>If you are complaining that your request got reduced
from /13 to a /14, you should have complained at that
time, you should have used all the tools you had if you
think at that time the IPRAs were wrong - including the
last option, request the arbiters to evaluate your
request. You can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I
could have received more if you would have been less
strict (and assume that we have been less strict
others), especially because you have no idea how strict
the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this
proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where this issue
was discussed - however, you decided that the AP-WG is
not worth of your effort and you did not voice any
opinion.</div>
<div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start an
attack against me (the proposer) and against some others
that you feel 'received more IPs from the RIPE NCC than
you' before the run-out in 2012.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Again, you are making false statement without
any evidence, in </div>
<div>reality, I have never done any business with
Elvis now and past.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>I don't know anything about any relation that
might be between you and </div>
<div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you
the IPs (approving </div>
<div>the requests).</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He
actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' - while
actually I was just strict, just as with all the other
requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent at the NCC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and before that you said:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
were allocated to you by the same person that has
initiated this proposal.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>only to then say:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> > Yes, a few years ago he approved your
allocations and now he is helping you sell the IPs.</div>
<div> > Obviously he only dreams about world peace and
there is no conflict of interests here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You know, and have been aware of this information for
years, that one single IPRA could not approve /16 or
larger allocations. However, you started to attack me
implying that I have helped Lu receive the allocations
and that then I tried to help him sell them. Plus, you
know (and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had
forgotten) that no single IPRA could approve a /15 or
larger allocation without a second IPRA's evaluation and
management and senior management approval.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian.
But I would advise you to take a step or two back and
look at all the things you have wrongfully interpreted
from others' mails. You can contact me directly or
Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions about
my activity at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about
conflict of interests or all kind of conspiracy theories
where there is none.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the
past two days. </div>
<div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>/elvis</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------------------------------</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Message: 4</div>
<div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:56:16 +0000</div>
<div>From: "Hannigan, Martin" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marty@akamai.com">marty@akamai.com</a>></div>
<div>To: Silvia Hagen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
please stop (i ask</div>
<div> for the 3rd time)</div>
<div>Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:E0A86D2C-902D-43DE-8754-42CF14983ED7@akamai.com">E0A86D2C-902D-43DE-8754-42CF14983ED7@akamai.com</a>></div>
<div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would be great if the combatants can move the
theatre of warfare operations to their personal
mailboxes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-M<</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Silvia Hagen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>>
wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This thread is like a great piece of comedy,
thanks for entertainment</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Silvia</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----</div>
<div>Von: address-policy-wg [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea</div>
<div>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16</div>
<div>An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
<div>Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks
- please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>so not that the policy is useless but it's
proposal was a mistake.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from
you and I already asked you to stop being rude,
before you started the thread below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even though I already responded to a message you
have sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice
what you are doing, you have continued to make false
accusations and wrongfully interpret what others
have said. </div>
<div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations
were just to start attacks against me...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
</blockquote>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Please provide evidence for following
claim, otherwise you are just </div>
<div>making accusation without any support
evidence.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
thousands of IPs, even </div>
<div>approved this last-second allocation. "</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on
the position to make final </div>
<div>decision about our allocation.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
during that allocations. </div>
<div>I only was refering to what you told us, that
Elvis was the one that </div>
<div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know
what happens behind the </div>
<div>scene but that should also bring some
questions.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said
and used your wrong assumptions to start an attack
against me. I was under the impression that you are
better than this but it seems you are not better
than all the others that have been attacking me over
this policy proposal because their 'business' was
affected. I wonder what kind of business you have if
you publicly attack persons and companies relying on
your own false assumptions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of
his requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict.
He, as well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen
me as a very strict person when I was working at the
RIPE NCC. That was only because I always thrive to
be very good at my job and I have always verified
(maybe too much) in depth all the documentation
received from LIRs. Just as you have received the
/28 IPv6 allocation (for your extremely large IPv6
deployment) some LIRs may have have received large
IPv4 allocations when these were justified.</div>
<div>If you are complaining that your request got
reduced from /13 to a /14, you should have
complained at that time, you should have used all
the tools you had if you think at that time the
IPRAs were wrong - including the last option,
request the arbiters to evaluate your request. You
can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could
have received more if you would have been less
strict (and assume that we have been less strict
others), especially because you have no idea how
strict the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to
this proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where
this issue was discussed - however, you decided that
the AP-WG is not worth of your effort and you did
not voice any opinion.</div>
<div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start
an attack against me (the proposer) and against some
others that you feel 'received more IPs from the
RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in 2012.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[...]</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Again, you are making false statement
without any evidence, in </div>
<div>reality, I have never done any business
with Elvis now and past.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>I don't know anything about any relation that
might be between you and </div>
<div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving
you the IPs (approving </div>
<div>the requests).</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs.
He actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' -
while actually I was just strict, just as with all
the other requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent
at the NCC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and before that you said:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
were allocated to you by the same person that has
initiated this proposal.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>only to then say:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Yes, a few years ago he approved your
allocations and now he is helping you sell the
IPs.</div>
<div>Obviously he only dreams about world peace
and there is no conflict of interests here.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You know, and have been aware of this information
for years, that one single IPRA could not approve
/16 or larger allocations. However, you started to
attack me implying that I have helped Lu receive the
allocations and that then I tried to help him sell
them. Plus, you know (and Andrea Cima also reminded
you in case you had forgotten) that no single IPRA
could approve a /15 or larger allocation without a
second IPRA's evaluation and management and senior
management approval.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I really do not know what happened to you,
Ciprian. But I would advise you to take a step or
two back and look at all the things you have
wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can
contact me directly or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if
you have any questions about my activity at the RIPE
NCC and stop talking about conflict of interests or
all kind of conspiracy theories where there is none.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over
the past two days. </div>
<div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ciprian</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>/elvis</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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