<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="FI" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> Enough,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> i have no more choice than to unsubscribe, thanks to all participants, goodbye, the other option would be to generate a spam filter.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Lu Heng Sent: 11. kesäkuuta 2015 15:16 To: Petr Umelov Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net; chair@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Complaint and future of the APWG.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> A Chair is a position, the human sit on it should keep this integrity and hide his personal preference while making calls.<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Just like if you become a Judge, you are expected to judge things based on fact and reality, not on accusations without ground and personal emotions, you can not say I am going to sentence that guy for 10 years just because I don't like what he is doing. And while you are making mistaken judgement, people have rights to complaint to higher level to make things right.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Same here, I feel some of the Chair's judgement was not fair, and I am making complaint about it, I feel in this free speech world, I have all my rights to do so.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Petr Umelov <<a href="mailto:petr@fast-telecom.net" target="_blank">petr@fast-telecom.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p> A chair is not a human, it is a thing :):):) 11.06.2015, 14:54, "Lu Heng" <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p> <div> <div> > Hi > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger <<a href="mailto:sebastian@karotte.org">sebastian@karotte.org</a>> wrote: >> * Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>> [2015-06-11 13:03]: >>> Hi >>> >>> I agree with you no more personal attack should happening any more. >>> >>> *And to be very clear, I am not attacking Gert personally.* >> >> Yes you do. You're questioning his integrity. > > No, I am not questioning his integrity, I am questioning Chair of APWG's integrity, his integrity has nothing to do in this case, Chair of the APWG is not a person, it is a position in the community to moderate and manage the list. While I complaint about Chair of the APWG, why it has to become personal to Gert? > >>> *I am complaint about one of working group chair does not keep the level of >>> integrity as it should.* >> >> Gert is one of the few people I know that I trust completely regarding >> integrity. He proved me right again by letting Sander conclude this >> proposal so that neutrality is given. > > I was not talking about his neutrality of this proposal. I was talking about my personal information and company info getting posted in the list while the Chair conclude it has relevance to the policy discussion. > >>> It is fundamental difference, in personal level, I do like to be friend >>> with Gert and he of course feel free to like or dislike me. However as APWG >>> chair, I believe Chair should remain neutral on all ground but not judging >>> things based on personal preference as well as personal emotions. >> >> Noone can remain neutral on all grounds all the time. That is why he >> is not "judging" anything in this case. Sander is. > > No one can, personally, but while you are in a position, then you should. the person of you does not matter any more, rules apply to that position. > >>> Let's not dive to far from what should be happening here, policy discussion. >> >> Back at you. >> >> Sebastian >> >> -- >> GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) >> 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. >> -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. > It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or > otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use > of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the > intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and > e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this > message and including the text of the transmission received.<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> -- Kind regards, Petr Umelov<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> -- <o:p></o:p> <div> -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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