<div dir="ltr">Hi Gert:<div><br></div><div>I am very much surprise with your reply.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Gert Doering <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:50:30AM +0200, Lu Heng wrote:<br>
> Chair, do you agree with me? This is policy mailing list about policy and<br>
> not about individuals or specific companies' activity. Please clarify this<br>
> to the community because this is not the first time personally attack<br>
> happening here(and not just to me and my company).<br>
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</span>Actually I can't see a personal attack here. I do see provable facts put<br>
on the table, which might reflect in a way that you might not like, but that<br>
is the usual problem with transparency. All the data about, for example,<br>
<a href="http://37.222.0.0/15" target="_blank">37.222.0.0/15</a> is available in the RIPE DB "--show-version <x>" output.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Put up a fact without statement is fine with me, putting up our IP range from the past is some how personal in my opinion, accusing me and my company "Abuser" is a statement in the public space without solicit evidence in which I first did not see the relevance to policy discussion, secondly it is unlawful as well.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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While I do consider this only partially relevant to the policy proposal<br>
under discussion, it *is* giving a background on what is happening or<br>
has happened outside the last /8 range, and some of these transfers indeed<br>
make the "30x /22 fast-transferred" issue look fairly marginal.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here are two fundamental problem to your wording:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The policy proposal under discussion is about protect the original intent of the last /8, in which the IP mentioned before has nothing to do with.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Because it was legal to kill anyone on the street 1000 years ago does not justify for preventing pass a law today to prevent future killing, in another words, whatever happened in the past should has no relevance to this policy.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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(And please DO NOT top-post, quoting a full mailing list digest underneath<br>
- *this* is something which might get the chair slightly angry)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was replied on the daily summary mode of the mailing list, this was just normal to it, and now I turned it off. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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