<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><title>Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations </title><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Hi Gabriel,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>This policy is not keep people from opening a new LIR .. it is to keep people from opening a new LIR and transfer the IP range for profit to someone else and shutdown the LIR within the first year... <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>The reason for the proposal is fix it more into the intention on why the policy was designed as it was … <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Every new entry to the market should be able to get a bit of IPv4 … <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>The intention was not to start a new LIR and sell the /22 to some other company … either for profit or as a means of getting cheap IP’s … <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>To give some examples that might look familiar to you : <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>From RO.INFINITY to lt.bacloud : <o:p></o:p>( From the published Transfer stats page.. ) <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=1083 style='width:649.5pt;background:white;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'>185.64.104.0/22<o:p></o:p></td><td valign=top style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'>185.64.104.0/22<o:p></o:p></td><td valign=top style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'>Infinity Telecom SRL<o:p></o:p></td><td valign=top style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'>Informacines sistemos ir technologijos, UAB<o:p></o:p></td><td valign=top style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'>15/09/2014<o:p></o:p></td></tr></table>Allocation date to RO.INFINITY - 2014-07-18 <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>From IFN PAWN collection to ro.infinity : <o:p></o:p>Original Block Transferred Blocks From To Date<o:p></o:p>185.85.180.0/22 185.85.180.0/22 IFN PAWN COLLECTION SRL Infinity Telecom SRL 10/04/2015<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Allocation date to : IFN Pawn for 185.85.180.0/22 was on 2015-01-27<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>The LIR for IFN Pawn is no longer active … <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>If you claim that the issue is, that you have a shortage of IP space …. Why are you selling the /22 that was originally allocated to your own LIR to a company in Italy ? <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Or is it because you don’t like it that this proposal will stop you from starting new LIR’s in dummy companies .. to be able to transfer the space to other LIR’s .. ? <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I think that your comments make it very clear why this proposal should be implemented .. But maybe I’m missing something … <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Erik Bais <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>Van: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Infinity Telecom SRL Verzonden: donderdag 23 april 2015 12:19 Aan: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Onderwerp: [address-policy-wg] Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Hello, If this proposal will be accepted: <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-01">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-01</a> The price per IP found at "IPv4 Transfer Listing Service" will be double or even worst. Little companies will be out of business.. and we will be one of them. To pay double or even more for some spammed IP.. its not a good choice.. only because smart guys with no real internet business hold very large blocks This proposal should have more time, its not like any other proposal, this can affect activity for a lot of small companies. Thank you. -- Cu stima, Gabriel Voitis | Sales Manager <a href="mailto:voitis@infinitytelecom.ro">voitis@infinitytelecom.ro</a> INFINITY TELECOM SRL | Bd-ul Iuliu Maniu nr 7, Corp A, Scara 2 Mobil: +40 0725 677 477 | Tel: +40 021 7808805 | Fax: +40 021 7808806 <a href="mailto:contact@infinitytelecom.ro">contact@infinitytelecom.ro</a><o:p></o:p></div></body></html>