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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
you will probably say - you represent a broker so you will not win
anything if companies will get an additional /22 for free (
someone already said that in a previous message - using more or
less these words) and therefore that is why you are against the
proposal.<br>
I will respond saying that Brokers do not really handle /22
transactions. The amount of work done by a Broker for a transfer
takes a lot of time. The commission received from a /22 transfer
is so tiny that it's not really worth it.<br>
<br>
I'd also like to provide my input to a few statements below:<br>
<br>
On 02/07/14 21:01, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53B448F9.6000504@tvt-datos.es" type="cite">
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El 02/07/2014 19:25, Tomasz Śląski GMAIL escribió:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">W dniu 2014-07-02 12:56, Erik Bais pisze:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">If you require additional space, other
options are :
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">- Transfer Market
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Dangerous, you can easily fall victim to fraud, especially on
legacy resources, and RIPE will do nothing to help you.
<br>
</blockquote>
True
<br>
</blockquote>
I would say that it is only dangerous if you have never done
business before. You should never pay in advance for something that
you have not yet received. Various types of Escrow agreements or
Bank Guarantee Letters are used, usually, when an IPv4 allocation is
transferred. These are processes that do not involve the RIPE NCC
but which make the transfers happen. Brokers are happy to assist
with these processes.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:53B448F9.6000504@tvt-datos.es" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">- setup a new LIR
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It is not obvious. I have an official position from Johem de
Ruig that the new LIR does not always get the allocation.
<br>
</blockquote>
Very true
<br>
</blockquote>
Any new LIR will receive a /22 allocation as long as they can
justify the use of at least one IP address. The policy is very
simple in this regard. Off course, if you just open a new LIR to
trick the system, you may end up not having a justification for that
/22 (or that one IP). On the other hand, what stops you from opening
a new company in a group for every 1000 customers? ;)<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:53B448F9.6000504@tvt-datos.es" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">- buy an existing LIR that is moving out
of business.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Same as above. RIPE NCC simply just can not accept the transfer,
and you're cooked hard.
<br>
</blockquote>
And...also true too!
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
RIPE NCC can not refuse the merger between two companies. If proper
documentation is provided and (again) they do not smell the attempt
of fraud, they will process and merge two LIRs easily. It is when
you try to fraud or trick the system that you are 'cooked hard'.<br>
<br>
<br>
To conclude, my point of view is that we already have a process that
works and that will provide the minimum amount of IP addresses to
any start-up company for years to come. I do not have my crystal
ball with me to see whether this will be for 1, 5, 10 or 20 years. I
hope it will be for 20 years rather than 5.<br>
I say, let's keep the policy as is. Changing it from /22 to /21 will
bring the pool down to 0 sooner than we expect and that may have
really bad consequences for any new start-up registered in the RIPE
Region.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
elvis<br>
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