<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Erik, I'll comment inline: <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 02/07/2014 12:56, Erik Bais escribió: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:00c001cf95e4$41a57bc0$c4f07340$@a2b-internet.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi Daniel, I don't see how handing out additional (free) space per LIR would solve the or your issue. Maybe it will solve your issue for a couple months, but not in the long run... The policy is clear, the reserved pool will provide a single /22 for every old and new LIR</pre> </blockquote> Im not talking about the reserved pool. As the graph sais, there are Reserved Pool 0.15 /8 and Available Pool is 0.93 /8 Reserved pool is for the last /22 policy. With the actual numbers, 2490 new LIRs can set up with a /22 allocation. <blockquote cite="mid:00c001cf95e4$41a57bc0$c4f07340$@a2b-internet.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">. If you require additional IP space there are options available, but the final /22 provided is the final free IP space that you and every other LIR is going to get. If you require additional space, other options are : - Transfer Market - setup a new LIR - buy an existing LIR that is moving out of business. </pre> </blockquote> All of them includes money, What Im trying is to be "fair" with new LIRs. I say fair betwen quotes becouse it wont be fair. Never. Old LIRs have multiple allocations, new LIRs only 1 /22 and all we pay the same fee. I dont care about paying the same fee, this is not the question here. Im saying, we have almost another /8 and it could help new lirs to move/wait to IPv6 be fully deployed. I know, and im not pointing anyone here, old LIRs/brokers with millions of address have a bussiness with the transfer market, and a new policy allowing new lirs to get another /22 is bad for them. Now, what is RIPE? A Regional Internet Registry for help Local Internet Registry or is a place to make lots of money with IP transfers? If anyone replying this topic in the list have free IP allocations and are willing to sell or make money with them should not be able to anwer here. Of course they will answer, and for sure, if they have free IP allocations and willing to sell they will not say it, but they are not objetives when saying: No more IP alloc than the /22 for new LIRs. <blockquote cite="mid:00c001cf95e4$41a57bc0$c4f07340$@a2b-internet.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> And if that is not the solution for you, you need to see if CGNAT might be. I understand the issue you have and try to address, but the solution isn't to be found in the remaining Available IP Pool at RIPE. Running a new access network with only IPv6 will not fix the issue for today, you need to see how to overcome the period between today and when IPv6 will be the dominant protocol and customers don't care about v4 anymore because their XBOX or favorite website isn't only running on v4 anymore. </pre> </blockquote> The non-expensive way to overcome the time betwen today and the day IPv6 is the dominant protocol is giving more space to those new lirs that need it. Regards, <blockquote cite="mid:00c001cf95e4$41a57bc0$c4f07340$@a2b-internet.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Onderwerp: Re: [address-policy-wg] Use of the Reserved IP Pool Hi all, As I said in this list, and since the Available IP Pool grow to near a /8 I want to start this topic again. And the question is: Should be use the Available IP Pool (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-po">http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-po</a> ol-graph), what is near to a /8 (0.93 /8) to those new LIRs that only have a /22 IPv4 allocation for another /22 (or other prefix)??? Please, comment it. Regards, El 30/04/2014 12:23, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca escribió: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi Carsten, I know, but before sending any proposal, and to be honest, I dont know what proposal I would need to change for the use of the Reserved IP Pool, I'd like to see others opinions, changes, etc... Regards, El 30/04/2014 12:20, Carsten Schiefner escribió: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi Daniel, On 30.04.2014 11:56, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Seems everybody stop writting with this topic, what I have changed to "Use of the Reserved IP Pool" Are we going to discuss if we made an use of the Reserved IP Pool when it reachs a non-defined-yet prefix to give at least another /22 to those LIRs with only 1 /22? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> it appears that you would need to send some text wrt. the parts of the relevant policies you would like to see changed. Best, -C. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Daniel Baeza Centro de Observación de Red Dpto. Internet y Telefonía Television Costa Blanca S.L. 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