<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Aleksi, a few comments inline: <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/05/14 04:24, Aleksi Suhonen wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:53699950.5060105@ssd.axu.tm" type="cite">Hi, While we were formulating the proposal 2014-04, we came up with a handful of other more radical alternatives too. We decided to leave them out of the initial proposal text, because of their controversial nature. We decided to instead present them to the discussion on the mailing list, which I'm doing now: OTHER RIRS The current policy for final /8 IPv4 assignments requires that the IPv6 address space is assigned by RIPE NCC. Assignments by other RIRs aren't accepted. Proposal 2014-04 does not change this oversight. </blockquote> and I agree that it should also be fixed. If you have IPv6 (no matter from where and which color it has) then you should be allowed to receive your /22. <blockquote cite="mid:53699950.5060105@ssd.axu.tm" type="cite"> I can see one snag, if IPv6 assignments from other RIRs were accepted: multi-national corporations would hoard "an automatic /22" from every RIR slightly more easily than the current policy allows. In that case I would also add policy text that would make sure that if the applicant already has a final /8 IPv4 assignment from some other RIR, they can't get one from RIPE. </blockquote> that won't fly. other RIRs have different policies regarding their last /8 (APNIC's is the only one similar to RIPE's AFAIK). Some RIRs don't even have a /22 policy. And if someone needs IPv4 in the RIPE Region, getting the /22 should not be limited to the last /8 policy from an other region. That would be plain wrong. <blockquote cite="mid:53699950.5060105@ssd.axu.tm" type="cite">PROMOTE IPv6 USAGE Gert Doering wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Historically it was put in there as an encouragement for "last /8" LIRs to "do something with IPv6"... </blockquote> The something that the current policy encourages LIRs to do with IPv6: * register a block and forget about it To really promote IPv6 adoption, why not require final /8 applicants to demonstrate their IPv6 capability before being given the IPv4 address block? The simplest way I came up with would be to create a service mailbox under an IPv6 only sub-domain (e.g. <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hostmaster@v6only.ripe.net">hostmaster@v6only.ripe.net</a>) and require that the applicants complete some steps of their process with this mailbox. This would verify that the applicant has access to IPv6 capable: * routing * DNS resolvers * authoritative DNS * SMTP servers ... and is not afraid to use them! Well, of course the applicant could be using someone else's mail system to complete those steps. I'm not sure if that matters. </blockquote> if you really want to go on that path, you may want to say that the LIRs which can receive their last /22 must have at least 4 IPv6 RIPEness stars. 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