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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px;">> This means you have maybe 25000-30000 organisations around</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px;" />
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px;">> the ripe ncc service region who are going to see their fees increase from</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px;" />
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px;">> (wholesale) €50 to €650 per annum.</span><br />
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I think that it is logical.<br />
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Alexey Ivanov<br />
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01.10.2013 00:39 - Nick Hilliard написал(а):<br />
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On 30/09/2013 18:00, Tore Anderson wrote:<br />
> All existing PI holders would become simultaneously both the LIR *and*<br />
> the End User in the above chain, so I'm not sure where this confusion<br />
> would come from?<br />
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So how could you convince the existing ipv6 PI holders that the cost<br />
increase from €50/year to LIR membership fees would be worth it?<br />
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IOW, there are two problems here: an addressing flavour issue, which<br />
relates to the RIPE community, and a billing issue which is the<br />
responsibility of the RIPE NCC.<br />
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For sure, you couldn't do this to just the ipv6 PI assignments - it would<br />
have to be to all address space, but then you get into the thorny issue of<br />
billing.<br />
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Let me pull out a paper napkin for a moment and hand-wave the possibility<br />
that all PI holders became LIRs and all LIRs paid the same fees. The 2014<br />
budget is €21.7m (practical). All LIRs pay the same (ncc member policy).<br />
There are about 9500 members and 33000 assigned pi resources (reality),<br />
probably with lots of overlap (reasonable speculation). Let's pluck a<br />
figure out of thin air and say that there are 35000 distinct end users +<br />
lirs (wild speculation), who need to pay an equal share of a budget of<br />
€21.7 million. This means you have maybe 25000-30000 organisations around<br />
the ripe ncc service region who are going to see their fees increase from<br />
(wholesale) €50 to €650 per annum.<br />
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This won't fly. We need to be practical about a workable policy proposal<br />
here. Whether we like it or not, there is a strong history of cost<br />
differentiation in terms of how ip addresess are handled, and I don't see a<br />
practical way of levelling the field within the constraints of what's<br />
workable and what we'd ultimately like.<br />
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Nick<br />
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