<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Dmitry<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">This has been discussed before; there are no new privacy issues raised by this proposal. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">First, privacy issues pertain to “natural persons” not to the organizational entities (legal persons) that typically hold and trade address blocks. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Second, and more fundamentally, recording transactions in the way suggested by 2012-05 does not alter anyone’s privacy status whether they are a natural person or legal person. The possession of an address block both before and after the transaction will be recorded in the Whois. We are simply making the information about the functioning of the transfer market easier to see, compile and analyze. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Again, you talk about the “high price” of the proposed policy but provide no specifics. Please tell me who would be harmed by having a transaction directly publicized in the way proposed, how they would be harmed. Until you do so I cannot take your arguments seriously. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dmitry Burkov [mailto:dvburk@gmail.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:28 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller<br> <b>Cc:</b> LeaderTelecom Ltd.; address-policy-wg@ripe.net; policy-announce@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [address-policy-wg] [Ticket#2012102901001081] 2012-05 New Draft and Impact Analysis Documents Published (Transparency in Addre [...]<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Milton, <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">When in result your position can become so close to B.Flame dreams I can't agree with you.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Sorry - you reminded me last discussions on Whois and last years talks about lea's expectations to minimize their spendings and to get centralized DBs with personal data on each Internet user or as it named in our country - personal authorization in Internet .<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Of course - you current talks seems are so far from this- but what's can be behind? I hope that you can understand that there are two side of one medal and the price of free market approach can be so high for us?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Dima<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">PS<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Sorry - it was not directly about disclosure info on transfers - it is a part of some of more general issues where this market is just a small part<br> <br> Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br> On 03.11.2012, at 21:06, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> -- </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Alexey Ivanov<br> LeaderTelecom</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> 29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а):</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> <br> Dear Colleagues,<br> <br> The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has<br> been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this<br> proposal has also been published.<br> <br> <br> The main changes in the new version are:<br> <br> -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text;<br> -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers.<br> <br> <br> You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at:<br> <br> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05" target="_blank" title="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05</a><br> <br> and the draft document at:<br> <br> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft" target="_blank" title="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft</a><br> <br> We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments<br> to <a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a> before 12 November 2012.<br> <br> Regards<br> <br> Emilio Madaio<br> Policy Development Officer<br> RIPE NCC<br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>