<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/></head><body style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Dear Tore, > So there will not be any requirement whatsoever on the receiving ISP to > justify their need for the received block, in the way they would have if > they had gone through a full transfer instead? I think doesn't make any sense to approve in RIPE sub-allocations. Earlier it was important, while count of IP addresses were very limited. And RIPE tried to give as much IPs as need LIR/user/etc. For now we don't have IPv4 in RIPE. And it is not necessary to control sub-allocations. It is a good alternative for temporary transfers. For example, if you go to register buying house and government will ask why you need house, how many rooms do you need, and etc. And they can approve or reject your request. It is not necessary. If you need IPs and you found IPs - of course you will pay money for this IPs and you will get as much as you need. Less work for RIPE, less bureaucracy, simple re-usage - just register and go. You need just several minutes to register records in RIPE database. -- Kind regards, Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom B.V. 27.09.2012 16:50 - Tore Anderson написал(а): <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt" type="cite"> * LeaderTelecom B.V. > Our case: we don't have PA-allocated space. but we have many clients who > need IPs. We found ISP who won't make transfer, while this is not very > simple procedure, but ready to make sub-allocation. > > Current policy allows to do suballocations, but maximum size is /20 > every twelve months for one ISP. This is too small count. > > I suggest: remove restrictions for size of network and period > (possibility to suballocate without any restractions instead of twelve > months ). > > Pros: > 1. No any work for RIPE (transfers requered additional work from RIPE side) > 2. Simple and fast. Just register sub-allocation in RIPE Database. > 3. Allow effective and fast use IPv4 space. > > I think in nearest time question of using IP-addresees from other ISP > will be very popular and the more simple to use IPv4 addresses from > other LIRs is better for community. So there will not be any requirement whatsoever on the receiving ISP to justify their need for the received block, in the way they would have if they had gone through a full transfer instead? Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - <a href="http://www.redpill-linpro.com/" target="_blank" title="http://www.redpill-linpro.com/">http://www.redpill-linpro.com/</a> </div> </body></html>