Hi Jim, I also think that your argument: 'one person can not block' is valid. However, I am not alone. I remember people from Norvege, Germany, Ukraine, etc, sharing the concerns or even expressing better than I did. Perhaps also you! <h2>Fredy Kuenzler - How More Specifics increase your transit bill (and ways to avoid it)</h2>this was a nice talk on Tuesday's plenary, explaining how and why to keep the routing table simpler and smaller - in a little bit different context. Unfortunately very few "PI+1 activists" attended.... Is the old concensus that we should listen to the others still valid? You do, I know, but what about these "PI+1 activists"? Best, Géza <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Jim Reid <<a href="mailto:jim@rfc1035.com">jim@rfc1035.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On 9 Dec 2011, at 14:42, Peter Koch wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> If it's all about 'one person cannot block' then tell me, how many would it need? </blockquote> </div> The same number as it needs in the dnsop WG you chair at IETF Peter. :-) We both know this is not decided by absolute numbers Peter. The Chair(s) of the relevant WG exercise their best judgement on the position of the WG as a whole. [That's why they get the big bucks. :-)] If they believe there's consensus in the WG, that's the decision. They could decide that one lone voice knows better than the rest of the WG => further discussion or refinement of the proposal is needed. That will depend on the specific circumstances and the nature of that (isolated?) objection. Note too that the earlier discussion was sparked by the suggestion that there could be no consensus on 2011-02 unless Geza said this was OK. We both know that this is not how RIPE's consensus decision-making process works. You might recall how the DNS WG arrived at a consensus response to the DoC proposal for getting the DNS root signed a few years ago and who made the judgement on whether a consensus had been reached. Some people were unhappy or uncomfortable with aspects of that response yet it still managed to emerge as a consensus view of the WG. And ultimately of the RIPE community. </blockquote></div>(BTW, thsi is not a RIPE matter, however, a global one)