Dear Wilfried and Masataka. Both of you were right and both of you may be pleased by the new HOMENET working group of IETF, proposed recently by Jari Arko. (I proposed earlier a similar research initiative for FP7...) Best, Géza <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet <<a href="mailto:Woeber@cc.univie.ac.at">Woeber@cc.univie.ac.at</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Masataka Ohta wrote: [...] <div class="im">> Yes, ISPs through RIRs are the source of problems. > >>And the IETF can define standards for that. > > The distance between IETF and end users is, mostly, infinite. > > Masataka Ohta </div>Some of the participants in this discussion seem to forget, always now and then, that the 'net and the ISPs are not existing for the benefit of themselves, but in order to provide service(s) to the users. Most of the time, the "infinitely distant users" are the primary soure of the money that keeps the 'net, the ISPs, the RIRs (and the scientists) in business. ;-) Wilfried. </blockquote></div>