[address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke

Jordi,

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This is a difficult time. Emotions are understandably high. But please
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Policy and avoid broader political policies.

A discussion about the impact of decisions made by governments or
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Kind regards,

Leo Vegoda
Address Policy WG Co-Chair

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:41 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden.
>
> If the rest of the world keeps surrendering to his wishes, as we did many times, many governments, even when he perpetrated criminal actions outside his own territory (for example, poisoning in UK, invasion of Crimea, etc.), he will never stop.
>
> The Russian population has "accepted" him; they are somehow responsible. If they really wished hard to take him down, there are 150 million of people in the country to take an action and they had many years to do so. I know is very easy to say, not so easy to act, but I'm not talking about a single person acting.
>
> He is precisely knowing that we will think "we can't do this because the poor population".
>
> People from Russia has been connected to Internet and they know sufficiently how their dictator is acting inside their country and towards the rest of the world. Situation has not changed across the years, and they haven´t reacted.
>
> Is time for a strong action from all the possible sides. We have a new "Bin Laden", which is million times much more powerful and if the rest of the world is not acting, we will suffer it sooner or later.
>
> If we think twice, economic sanctions will also be bad for the population, and just dust for the dictator. Those economic sanctions will also be bad for the rest of the world. I agree with them.
>
> I disagree with offensive military actions, but at the same time we must find as many possible ways to isolate the country and unless in his craziness he pushes the nuclear buttons first (as an offensive action), sooner or later that will create sufficient internal country reactions to topple him.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other path forward and it will be ideal that voluntarily, until governments that the decision, carriers and ISPs, filter all their traffic, which also could at least in some %, avoid some of the cyber-attacks that are coming from there, which can target not just Ukraine, but any other country.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote:
> > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and
> > who is responsible for it.
> >
> > Let's all work together that this stay this way.
>
> My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut
> off ALL Internet to .RU!  That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered,
> and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access
> will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of
> misinformation.
>
> So, make sure Information can flow.
>
> Gert Doering
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