[address-policy-wg] IPv4 waiting list policy

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 18:44, Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf
<ripe-lists at sebastian-graf.at> wrote:
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> Hello!
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> This has the advantage of being "fair"
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This depends on your definition of fairness. Let's be brutally honest
here. Anyone who has set up 10, 20, 30 LIRs in the last couple of
years and has received multiple /24s is intentionally circumventing
the goal of the policy for financial gain. They are playing games for
profit. Let's get the legal advice we need and stop these games. These
are policies, not national/international laws. Policies are a set of
rules for the RIPE NCC membership. Members have signed contracts
agreeing to all policies and agreed changes to those policies. Nothing
says a policy change cannot be retroactive. As Gert said, let's apply
a policy change back to 1/1/21. If someone wants to challenge it in
court...let them name and shame themselves. As a community/membership
we should be willing to stand by our principles of fairness and let
the RIPE NCC go to court to defend these principles. While IPv4 is
still in use and essential for genuine new startup businesses, let's
stand up to those who are playing these games for profit...for the
good of the internet.

I don't know who any of these people are with multiple LIRs. But I am
sure they are all subscribed to this mailing list and will do what
they can to prevent policy changes that stop them from making profits.
To re quote Daniel's famous phrase at the Database BoF, "Let's stop
tinkering around the edges" of these policies, jump in at the deep end
and fix the problem...to stop the blatant profiteering.

I am going to go one step further than Gert's proposal. Let's suspend
the current policy pending a review. In other words, freeze the
allocation of /24s. I am sure there is nothing in the PDP or anywhere
else that allows for this. But there probably is nothing that
disallows it either. Again let's have a legal review and take bold
action.

I am probably going to get hammered for saying all this, but sometimes
we need to make bold moves and set new precedences...

cheers
denis
co-chair DB-WG