[address-policy-wg] PA ??? life after death

Feel free to write and propose the policy to the community, but don’t get your hopes too high. I don’t believe there’s an appetite for changes in IPv4 policy world among membership.

IPv4 is dead. Focus on deploying IPv6 where you can get a PI allocation.

With Kind Regards,
Dominik Nowacki

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On 7 Mar 2019, at 06:00, Maxim A Piskunov <ffamax at gmail.com<mailto:ffamax at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Kai!

We discuss last week and here some points of view.

>And if you really need save IPv4 space for your business, you're free to become an LIR, adhere to the policies, and be a happy camper.
1. Some organisation will never become LIR (some institutes of government, etc)
2. Organization who prefer not to do cross-border payments (accounting issues)
They coming and asking for addresses, LIR can allocate for example /24 from PA and next, if LIR will be closed, end-user may loose addressed
It's happens because no procedures for protection such case.

My position is to change policy for improving security for end-users.
PI - it's safety for end-user. So why policy does not allow conversion PA to PI?
Why PA addresses on closure LIR return to community pool instead keeping addresses for current end-user? Why policy still have no soft rules for this case? LIR closed -> resources converted to PI and passed to another LIR. It's a solution.

>IPv4 is over, I strongly suggest to stop building business based on legacy technology
IPv4 it's cheap and fast way to deploy network. IPv4 is over in pool but still available via LIR's, so please do not say that IPv4 is totally died. For places on Earth where no Internet connectivity, IPv4 coming first. And only when infrastructure is ready IPv6 may come.
You trying to propagate IPv6 but you live in more ideal world and thinking from another point of view.
I am not asking for propagation IPv6, I am asking for freely usage IPv4, for dropping not needed administrative obstacles.


On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 03:16, Kai 'wusel' Siering <wusel+ml at uu.org<mailto:wusel%2Bml at uu.org>> wrote:
Moin,

am 06.03.2019 um 23:40 schrieb Maxim A Piskunov:
> Hello, Kai!
>
> As I know, PI for IPv4 not possible to obtain for new users.

Sure; IPv4 is over, I strongly suggest to stop building business based on legacy technology.

Having stated the obvoius, and correct me if I'm wrong, it is possible to buy IPv4 space these days, no? And if you really need save IPv4 space for your business, you're free to become an LIR, adhere to the policies, and be a happy camper.

Regards,
-kai



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