[address-policy-wg] PA ??? life after death

Hello, Gert!

LIR allocate from their PA some network to end-user.
Even LIR will be closed, why end-user should lose allocated resources?
What did end-user do wrong? Why end-user should lost allocated resources?
As you wrote: "usually: (1) non-payment, (2) lying to the NCC, or (3)
getting convicted of criminal activity"
1. End-user may initiate payment via temporary (substitutional)  for
allocated resources - it's not a reason for resources recall.
2.1 LIR lying to the NCC - ok. Close LIR but pass used resources to another
LIR, why not? Who invented recall and for what? For pain?
2.2 End-user lying to LIR (but check passed) and as result LIR lying to NCC
- yes, we can recall end-user resources, but only lying end-users. Not all
resources of LIR.
3. Criminal activity should not impact end-users who did not do anything
criminal.

Current policy do not protect end-users. LIR - it's just like an
administrator. We can fire administrator but current policy respectively
destroy building where administrator has worked.


On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 23:22, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 10:42:17AM +0300, Maxim A Piskunov wrote:
> > As I understand "NetUP Ltd." will loose their PA-addresses if LIR status
> > will not recovered and customers will should renumbering their networks.
> > I have one simple question: why not specified procedure of keeping
> > originally allocated addresses for case when LIR-status under
> cancellation
> > and LIR can't transfer PA to another LIR.
> > Or I miss something and chance to keep addresses is exists?
>
> If I can keep my addresses even if I do not fulfill my contractual
> obligations to the NCC ("pay my bill, do not lie, etc.") - why should
> I do that, then?
>
> Resources can only be kept while the LIR is not closed, and that will
> not happen unless there is good reason (usually: non-payment, lying
> to the NCC, or getting convicted of criminal activity).
>
> Gert Doering
>         -- APWG chair
> --
> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
>
> SpaceNet AG                      Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael
> Emmer
> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14        Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
> D-80807 Muenchen                 HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)
> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444         USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: </ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20190307/8d9b9d0a/attachment.html>