[address-policy-wg] 2019-02 New Policy Proposal (Reducing IPv4 Allocations to a /24)

> On Feb 7, 2019, at 10:14, Carlos Friaças <cfriacas at fccn.pt> wrote:
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> 
> Hi,

Hi,

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>> If I am right we talk about resources that can be obtained by new LIR. If a LIR already has some
>> IPv4 block it cannot claim to get  some other block from RIPE NCC according to the policy. And
>> what does the LIR status give to the LIR? It gives possibility to get IP addresses. So a LIR is been
>> registering to obtain IPs. Anything else?
> 
> And keep it. And access NCC services like certification (RPKI), training, ...

All that you added is derived from "obtain IPs". Of course you are right but until you get IPs you
do not need AS, RPKI and so on. Training may be useful without IPs but you can find a way
to go to training without LIR status.

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>> So a new LIR must pay $1400 annually to have ghostly
>> possibility to obtain IPv4 addresses. May be. Later. After years (multiply by $1400).
> 
> Don't forget about "keeping it". If you only pay on the 1st year, the resources go back into the pool (de-registered) if the 2nd year is not payed... it's called "maintenance". :-)

You must obtain IPs at first. All your answer is built on assumption that organization already
has some IPs. Of course in this case it will pay annual fee for all service. But we talk about
new LIR. I came to RIPE NCC to get IPs. RIPE NCC is telling me: We put you in waitlist and
may be later you will get /24. But to get to the waitlist I must pay now 1400 (of course euros
not $ as I mistype in previous letter). I pay 1400 euros annually for the right to be in the waitlist.

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>> It has not these
>> addresses and his/her busyness will suffer from lack of IPv4 addresses. As for me in this case I
>> would not wait IPv4 addresses from RIPE NCC. Either I make busyness only on IPv6 or I buy IPv4
>> addresses on the market (after this I cannot claim to get addresses from RIPE NCC, right?).
> 
> My interpretation is that you could. Currently, a /22 per LIR account...

I hope someone who take decision will answer. Would new LIR have right on the block from RIPE NCC
if it had bought some IPv4 from the market?

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>> What are we talking about? Show me please use case for participant of the waitlist. Who is he/she?
> 
> Potentially ORGs that wish to be independent (IPv4 addressing wise) from their transit providers, also allowing them to peer at IXPs, ...
> 
> The easy part is IPv6, which doesn't involve any waiting list -- it's just a matter of becoming a LIR or getting service from one. :-))
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> 
> Cheers,
> Carlos
> 
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>> --
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Taras Heichenko
>> tasic at hostmaster.ua

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Best regards

Taras Heichenko
tasic at hostmaster.ua