[address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:
> I think it has been proven that lack of IPv6 PI was not an obstacle,
> just lazy people and no "immediate" incentives, and we are still with
> the same situation.

2400 IPv6 PI holders seem to disagree with you.

> Regarding the "conversion" of the end-user contracts into LIR
> contracts, there are two choices: 1) The same way as NCC did to
> convert the "previous" non-contractual IPv4 PI holders to the
> end-user contract

The RIPE NCC argued that 2007-01 authorised them to convert an implicit 
end-user contract for PI holders to an explicit contract.  I.e. this was 
an update to the terms and conditions between a contract which already 
existed.

It looks like you're suggesting that the RIPE NCC take the sponsoring 
LIR business by force.  This is unlikely to be legal in most of the 
jurisdictions that the RIPE NCC deals with.

What happens if either the end user or the LIR refuse to "convert" the 
end-user-to-LIR contract to an end-user-to-RIPE-NCC contract?

> 2) We could decide to keep the end-user contract,
> but still "merge" the PI and PA policies (end-users get *allocated*
> one /48 for each end-site and sign end user, LIRs get allocated from
> /32 and sign LIR contract).

I still don't understand what problem you're trying to solve here, or 
why you suggest that eliminating PI assignments is better than keeping 
them.  The rationale that you presented in your talk at APWG was:

> - Simplification of the policy and avoid discussions/inconsistencies related to sub-assignments.
> 
> – Contractual fairness among different type of IPv6 resource holders. 

There are minor issues relating to policy inconsistencies.  Arguably, 
the most serious of those has been fixed already.

I disagree that there is contractual unfairness.  PI holders don't get 
the right to sub-assign and they don't get benefits of membership of the 
RIPE NCC association.

Also, what happens with ASNs? All ASNs are direct assignments from the 
RIPE NCC, which means that unless you're also talking about getting rid 
of ASN assignments and LIR sponsorship, all of the legal baggage 
associated with that needs to stay in place.

Nick