[address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

Hi Jim,

I agree that is not “unanimity”, but I don’t think there is consensus on this proposal, and even less I think is fair to extend the review period “because” a proposal has been brought in the last minute to another fora, when the chairs already declared “that we don’t have consensus”.

See this message:

https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-November/012271.html

Is something that we should do for every policy proposal that don’t reach consensus?

Is this meaning that we will always “extend” the PDP timeline *until* we reach consensus?

Then, my reading is that EVERY policy proposal can always reach consensus, is just a matter of finding enough folks (or virtual voices) that register into the mailing list and support the proposal vs non-supporters.

Not sure if you see my point?

Regards,
Jordi

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De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Jim Reid <jim at rfc1035.com>
Fecha: lunes, 15 de enero de 2018, 12:05
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
CC: <address-policy-wg at ripe.net>
Asunto: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

    
    > On 15 Jan 2018, at 10:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
    > 
    > 
    > Obviously, I don’t agree, just because for me, “consensus” is having no objections
    
    Jordi, whatever definition of consensus someone chooses is up to them. That doesn't mean it's right or the one that everybody else has to adopt. [We decide the definition of consensus by consensus. :-)] Consensus does not mean there have to be no objections. That's unanimous consensus. There's a difference. An important difference.
    
    Maybe something is getting lost in translation? ie the Spanish for "consensus" means something similar to the definition you're using.
    
    There can be consensus in RIPE (and other fora such as IETF and ICANN) even when there are objections. RFC7282 goes into this in great detail.
    
    If we relied on unanimous consensus for decisions, nothing would ever get done because anyone would have a veto that could block progress. And in a very diverse community like RIPE, it'll be impossible for everyone to agree on everything.
    
    
    
    
    



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