[address-policy-wg] 2017-03 New Policy Proposal (Reducing Initial IPv4 Allocation, aiming to preserve a minimum of IPv4 space)

Hi,


On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kai 'wusel' Siering wrote:

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> Where does this 'responsibily' end?

Don't know, but still feel we should try for the coming years.


> When will be "well, the IPv4 well dried out back in 2011;

It didn't completely (even today), but the RIPE NCC service region entered 
"scarcity-mode" in Sept'2012.


> it's now just done, you're simply too late" a 'responsible' answer? If 
> not 2020/2021 (as based on current prediction), how about 2022? 2030? 
> 2080?

If two years of more v6 deployment help, there is some benefit. If it's 10 
more years, great. v6 deployment is slow -- that we know.


> When do we distribute 240/4 among the RIRs as "really last /8s"?

I made that question myself during an ICANN meeting (the only i attended) 
10 years ago. The answer was something about operating systems' stacks. I 
wasn't fully convinced, but a large majority of internet plumbers seems to 
buy it...


> Seriously, this is ridiculous. IPv4 is done.

For expanding the Internet, sure. There is however, a tiny annoying bit: 
IPv4 is still the dominant Internet Protocol version in terms of usage :/


> "get over it.  get a life." And deploy IPv6.

Been there, done that.
Sometimes i see some of it going back to IPv4-only, though :(

And the biggest issue, we can't really force 3rd parties do deploy it. If 
some of those 3rd parties don't need to grow their infrastructures, the 
"incentive" to deploy IPv6 is really small :/


> Actually a common tune[1] a decade before today already ;)

I actually was in the room when that happenned! :-))
On 26th Oct'2007 [1][2].

[1] https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-55
[2] https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-55/attendee-list


Thanks for your input.


Cheers,
Carlos



> Regards,
> -kai
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> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
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