[address-policy-wg] 2016-03 Discussion Period extended until 15 July 2016 (Locking Down the Final /8 Policy)

Hi.

I think, it is time to withdraw this proposal due to we haven't reached the
consensus.


2016-06-23 8:43 GMT+03:00 Riccardo Gori <rgori at wirem.net>:

> Hi Tore, Hi Elvis,
> I opened the ticket and I can confirm Tore clarification on that.
>
> Il 17/06/2016 08:09, Riccardo Gori ha scritto:
>
> Hi,
>
> Il 17/06/2016 07:41, Tore Anderson ha scritto:
>
> * Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis at velea.eu> <elvis at velea.eu>
>
> Additionally, it would still apply retroactively and people which since
> 2012 until 'yesterday' were allocated PA/transferable IPs (2 years after
> the moment of the allocation) will end up with an allocation that is no
> longer transferable.
>
> Elvis, while there are valid arguments against this proposal, this is
> not one of them.
>
> If it was, then we could essentially just disband the AP-GW as pretty
> much every single policy proposal ever made would "apply
> retroactively". Including the ones that made various forms of transfers
> possible in the first place; suddenly, many old non-transferable blocks
> were "retroactively" changed to become transferable.
>
> Note that the RIPE NCC SSA says:
>
>
> Article 6 – Compliance
>
> 6.1 The Member acknowledges applicability of, and adheres to, the RIPE
> Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents. The RIPE Policies and the
> RIPE NCC procedural documents are publicly available from the RIPE NCC
> Document Store. These documents, which may be revised and updated from
> time to time, form an integral part of and apply fully to the RIPE NCC
> Standard Service Agreement.
>
> A member who believes that transferability is an immutable and
> everlasting property of address space has not read what they've signed.
>
> If this proposal truly "applied retroactively" with regards to
> transfers, it would have had to annul all the transfers *made prior to
> its adoption* and stated the previously transferred address space was
> to be forcibly returned to its original holder or the NCC.
>
> Alrticle 6:
> This is the part of the agreement I like most 'cause confirms that
> community policies can change everything even on already allocated space.
> Only as fantasy examples: forbid transfer, return space or annual fees per
> held IP .
> I think the community alway choosed to go the esiest and fairier path.
> Elvis policy extended the current 24 months restriction to all PA space
> held by members and fixed the loophole of newly allocated that avoided the
> restriction.
> I consider it fair.
>
>  I do not like policy proposals that apply retroactively
>
> Uhm, so what about your 2015-01 proposal then? That one "applied
> retroactively" no less than this one.
>
> I don't think 2015-01 apply retroactively.
> I think allocation made before implementation of 2015-01 are free from
> limitations.
> I'll open a ticket about it and check and let you know.
>
> Confirmed Tore point.
>
> Anyway. I withdraw my earlier objection to 2016-03. I'm not at all
> convinced it's a good idea or worth the trouble, but if the community
> really wants to go down this road I won't try to block the path.
> Consider me neutral/abstaining.
>
> Tore
>
>
> regards
> Riccardo
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