[address-policy-wg] Update on ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED

Hi

PI (Provider Independent) should be "Provider Independent" - any space 
which is assigned by a LIR is not really "provider independent".
I think it's a good idea to change that.

Regards
Patrick


On 04.08.2016 12:36, Larisa Yurkina wrote:
> Patrick Velder пишет 04.08.2016 11:12:
>
> Hi
>>
>> Hello Ingrid
>>
>> That means, if a resource holder (ASSIGNED PI within ALLOCATED PI) 
>> has an "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement" 
>> with the LIR, like end users which got their assignment direct from 
>> RIPE NCC, this assignment will become an assignment which is managed 
>> directly by RIPE NCC?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>   My LIR have got ALLOCATED PI and ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED blocks about 
> 20 years ago, according to those days policy. Some part of address 
> space was not aggregated and was used as "ASSIGNED PI within ALLOCATED 
> PI", all of them have agreement with the LIR, which also was within 
> the policy, at least not against. Why should we change anything here? 
> Just because some LIRs lost their control over 50% of the address 
> space allocated to them? Perhaps there are some other ways to restore it?
>
> With respect,
> *Larisa Yurkina*
> RosNIIROS
> Internet Number Resources Group / Chief Manager
> l.yurkina at ripn.net <mailto:l.yurkina at ripn.net> / www.ripn.net 
> <http://www.ripn.net>
> Т.: +7 495 737-0604
>
>> On 04.08.2016 09:39, Ingrid Wijte wrote:
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> During RIPE 72, the RIPE NCC was asked to suggest a way forward with 
>>> regards to the unclear situation arising from address blocks in the 
>>> RIPE Database with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED. 
>>> We want to give you an update on this work and ask for your input.
>>>
>>> BACKGROUND
>>>
>>> Although PI assignments made by LIRs have the same status in the 
>>> RIPE Database, it is not clear if resource holders with assignments 
>>> from LIRs have the same rights as resource holders with those issued 
>>> by the RIPE NCC. The community, mainly End Users, has asked the RIPE 
>>> NCC to clarify the situation.
>>>
>>> In the early days of the RIPE NCC, a small number of LIRs received 
>>> allocations with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED. 
>>> From these address blocks, LIRs could assign ranges with the status 
>>> ASSIGNED PI.
>>> The RIPE community later decided that the RIPE NCC should be the 
>>> only party assigning ranges with ASSIGNED PI to End Users. It was 
>>> not clear what the status of the assignments that had already been 
>>> made should be.
>>>
>>> ACTION TAKEN
>>>
>>> At RIPE 71, the Address Policy Working Group asked the RIPE NCC to 
>>> check the actual assignment status with the holders of these 
>>> allocations. We contacted all of the LIRs involved and around 50% 
>>> said they had no contact with holders of assignments with the status 
>>> ASSIGNED PI within their allocations. Several allocations containing 
>>> only PA assignments were converted from ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED to 
>>> ALLOCATED PA following communication with LIRs.
>>>
>>> The RIPE NCC presented these results to the Address Policy Working 
>>> Group at RIPE 72. The WG stressed that data accuracy must have the 
>>> highest priority. It was further suggested that the RIPE NCC should 
>>> follow up with the LIRs on a case-by-case basis, following the 
>>> principles outlined below.
>>>
>>> The WG agreed that, where the LIR can document a mutual agreement 
>>> that they administer the address space, a conversion from PI to PA 
>>> should take place. In all other cases, assignments with the status 
>>> ASSIGNED PI should be treated as being assigned by the RIPE NCC.
>>>
>>> It was also stated that LIRs should not register any new assignments 
>>> with the status ASSIGNED PI, as policy no longer allows for new IPv4 
>>> PI assignments (with the exception of IXP PI assignments from our 
>>> reserved address pool).
>>>
>>> APPROACH
>>>
>>> The RIPE NCC  will contact the 38 LIRs holding allocations that 
>>> contain address blocks with the status ASSIGNED PI (3,600 inetnum 
>>> objects in total).
>>>
>>> In the following months, these LIRs will check if their RIPE 
>>> Database entries are still correct. Each LIR will check their 
>>> records and with their customers to see under what conditions the 
>>> assignments were originally provided.
>>>
>>> After the LIRs have finished their research, the RIPE NCC will:
>>>
>>> -    Convert assignments to ASSIGNED PA if it can be documented that 
>>> the administrative responsibility lies with the LIR
>>> -    Follow up directly with resource holders of ASSIGNED PI to 
>>> apply the RIPE policy, “Contractual Requirements for Provider 
>>> Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region”. The PI 
>>> assignments will become part of the address space managed by the 
>>> RIPE NCC just like all other PI space. Once the resource holders 
>>> have fulfilled the contractual requirements, they will have the same 
>>> rights and obligations as any other End User of PI space.
>>> -    Split the allocations to separate the PI assignments and 
>>> convert the blocks that remain with an LIR to ALLOCATED PA.
>>>
>>> We suggest giving these LIRs until the end of January 2017 to 
>>> clarify the status of the assignments within their ALLOCATED 
>>> PI/UNSPECIFIED allocations.
>>>
>>> In situations where a dispute arises between the LIR and the 
>>> assignment holder about the administrative responsibility, the RIPE 
>>> NCC will do its best to support a fair solution.
>>>
>>> We welcome your feedback on this suggested approach. Please provide 
>>> your input before 12 September 2016.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Ingrid Wijte
>>> Assistant Manager Registration Services
>>> RIPE NCC 
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