[address-policy-wg] 2015-05 Discussion Period extended until 13 May 2016 (Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision)

Hi Carten,

Il 17/04/2016 23:59, Carsten Schiefner ha scritto:
> Riccardo,
>
> On 15.04.2016 07:48, Riccardo Gori wrote:
>> with all respect I don't see a "remarkable success" in current last /8
>> policy.
>> We are dealing with the same amount of space as September 2012
> so it works as designed me thinks.
It depends on the point of view, we are discussing this exactly beacause 
everyone of us can have his point.
RIR are supposed to act as a registry and distribute resources. How 
resources are distributed depends on community.
This is exacly why RIR have to accept comments in PDP from non members 
and from everyone else in the world.
What if just a mass of people come here and propose to adopt ARIN 
similar policy?
Policy Development Process is: I would/think; You would/think; He 
would/think
and finally: We do...shouldn't be like that?
Resources are global you can't say ARIN was wrong because depleted 
faster entered and we are successfull  just because we still have space.
About IPv6 adoption sorry but the fact is that we are later than ARIN.
Don't misunderstant please I am not in favor of depletion.
>
>> that in the meanwhile has been abused in several ways
> Please define "abuse in several ways". You are also encouraged to
> suggest potential remedies per item.
Several ways include repeated and reiterated procedures like these:
- cases of LIRs requested and obtained (before 09/2012 and last /8 
policy) resources with fake network plans (now you don't need any 
network plan)
- in the past (I mean before 09/2012 and last /8 policy) some 
organizations running multiple LIR used it to obtaion space as big as 
/16 on the same day in two different LIRs
- in Last /8 multiple LIRs used to obtain resources and sell resources 
to the market preocess reiterated and (stopped by 2015-01)
- open and closing LIR to stockpile resources (stopped by 2015-01)
Please note that new allocation rate of /22 from 185/8 reamins unchanged 
due to new LIR signin up at the same rate or faster.
Our policy is suppose to reduce new LIR sign up rate allowing current 
new entrants to not incentive their customers to sign up as a new LIR 
and waste a /22 and offer them just the space they need.

>> and there are really no incentives to IPv6 adoption.
> How about: making your Internet outfit future-poof? Sounds pretty
> convincing to me.

Carten, as proposers, we didn't pretend to have "the solution".
The proposal contains something we believe in and here we tried to push 
some incentive to adopt IPv6 for smaller LIRs as you can understand from 
the text.
Please read carefully the BOARD consideratios in 2014-04 that removed 
the only IPv6 requisite on current policy 
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2014-04
Now you can get your IPv6 t-shirt as noticed by Radu.
About future proof internet: it's easy to say that nothing is future 
proof but human mind is awsome and when we get in trouble in most cases 
we were able to find a way out.
If it were up to me I would approve NAT in IPv6 and I would use those 
famouse unusable 16 /8 (for future use 240/8 - 255/8) but this is out of 
topic here, thank you for asking my point anyway.

kind regards
Riccardo


>
> Best,
>
> 	-C.

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