[address-policy-wg] Policy Proposal Implemented: 2014-05, "Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of Internet Resources"

Hi Tore,

The answer to your question is No - for a transfer from APNIC to RIPE there is no need to provide a usage plan. But I would like to briefly explain this answer.

There is no requirement in APNIC’s inter-RIR transfer policy for the counterpart RIR to adhere to needs-based policies:
https://www.apnic.net/policy/resources#8.2. Inter-RIR IPv4 address transfers

This is in contrast with ARIN’s inter-RIR transfer policy:
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#eight4

Therefore, as policies stand at the moment in all three RIRs, the needs-based evaluation is only for transfers from ARIN to the RIPE NCC.

> but given the above quote as well as the phrasing in section IV of ripe-651

You are right and thank you for noticing this. The wording in section IV of ripe-651 was incorrect and gave the wrong impression. We updated section IV of the document to ensure it accurately reflects the policy text. The updated document will be published shortly and will be ripe-656.


Kind regards,

Nikolas Pediaditis
RIPE NCC Registration Services


> On 01 Oct 2015, at 11:33, Tore Anderson <tore at fud.no> wrote:
> 
> * Nikolas Pediaditis <nikolas.pediaditis at ripe.net>
> 
>> The moratorium that the APNIC EC had set for inter-RIR transfers with
>> the RIPE NCC has been officially lifted as of early September and it
>> was announced during APNIC 40.
>> 
>> The transcript of the APNIC 40 AMM session is available at:
>> https://conference.apnic.net/data/40/10-Sept-AMM.txt
>> 
>> Here is the quotation with regard to this matter:
>> 
>> "Inter-RIR transfer policy: it was one of the items which the
>> Executive Council decided previously. We had a moratorium for the
>> inter-RIR transfer with RIPE NCC, but at this time in the Executive
>> Council meeting on Monday, we decided to resolve to lift -- that
>> means discontinue -- the temporary moratorium on the inter-RIR
>> transfers with RIPE NCC. That is the reaction that RIPE NCC recently
>> set the new inter-RIR transfer policy to require the recipient of the
>> transfer from the other RIR region which has the demonstrated need
>> policy. So that helped us to lift this moratorium. So now you can
>> transfer the IPv4 address, if you need it, with someone in the RIPE
>> NCC region."
>> 
>> There is also the video version available (at 58:38):
>> https://conference.apnic.net/40/program#sessions/amm
>> 
>> Therefore inter-RIR transfers of IPv4 and ASNs are possible between
>> resource holders in the APNIC and RIPE regions.  Both RIRs will be
>> cooperating in accordance with their policies.
> 
> Nicholas,
> 
> Thank you for the update. I hope you can clarify one thing for me,
> which I find the APNIC and RIPE communites' policies to be crystal
> clear about, but given the above quote as well as the phrasing in
> section IV of ripe-651 I am not so sure about the actual implementation.
> 
> It's a simple yes or no question: If there is a transfer from the APNIC
> region to the RIPE region, will the RIPE region recipient required to
> «provide a plan to the RIPE NCC for the use of at least 50% of the
> transferred resources within 5 years»?
> 
> Tore
> 
>