[address-policy-wg] APNIC temporarily freezing v4 transfers to RIPE NCC?

Hi Andrea,

At APNIC39 in Fukuoka, I spoke with Adam Gosling of APNIC.

He suggested that the APNIC EC would wait for an interpretation and
implementation of the new RIPE inter-RIR policy before making a
decision.
But, as reflected in the discussion already made, he did feel that an
APNIC to RIPE
transfer would not be subjected to needs justification because he (and
APNIC
in general) do not interpret APNIC policy as requiring needs
justification if the
receiving RIR does not.  

Two comments on this:  Why would APNIC to RIPE not require needs
justification when 
APNIC to APNIC does?    Secondly, there are so few IPs within APNIC, how
often will
there ever be IPs transferred from APNIC to RIPE region under the
inter-RIR policy?   I would not 
think this is a big transfer path.

The reality is that the huge supply of IPs for transfer to RIPE is in
ARIN region and this supply 
is the target of the new RIPE inter-RIR policy.  If APNIC never allows
transfer to RIPE region, 
this would be ok from the perspective of supply to RIPE region.  In fact
this would be preferable
to APNIC allowing transfers with no needs justification, such that ARIN
then flipped its position
to block transfers to APNIC because they could subsequently to
transferred to RIPE.

A more tangible flaw is that APNIC has no time delay on re-transfers. 
While ARIN would not allow a 
transferred block to be re-transferred for 12 months and RIPE would not
allow a transferred block
to be re-transferred for 24 months, APNIC has no limitation.   But this
problem exists today for IPs 
transferred to APNIC; they can immediately be re-transferred within
APNIC.  No change just because 
they could now be transferred to RIPE region, so I can't see ARIN
complaining about this now.

ARIN being concerned with APNIC allowing transfers to APNIC being
subsequently transferred to 
RIPE should not influence the implementation of direct transfers from
ARIN to RIPE using the new 
needs justification criteria of 50% use over 5 years that ARIN had
agreed was compatible with its policy.

Based on this analysis, I don't see the initial buy-in or non-buy-in by
APNIC as a concern.  It is ARIN as
a supply that is needed.

Sandra Brown






Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:03:03 +0000
From: Nick Hilliard <nick at inex.ie>
To: Andrea Cima <andrea at ripe.net>, Address Policy Working Group
 <address-policy-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] APNIC temporarily freezing v4
 transfers to RIPE NCC?
Message-ID: <54FF23C7.4020403 at inex.ie>
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Hi Andrea,

On 10/03/2015 16:05, Andrea Cima wrote:
> While I cannot answer on behalf of the other RIRs, we have given an
> update about the inter-RIR transfer policy proposal last week, during
> APNIC 39. I hope the video and transcripts will provide you with the
> clarification requested (please see session Policy SIG-3)

thanks for the reference. The context is located at pages 35-49 of:

https://conference.apnic.net/data/39/5-March-Policy-SIG-3.txt

and at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKK_8iJU6E#t=1h09m11s

Nick