[address-policy-wg] Next steps for new LIRs

Hi all,

fixed that I am against abuses. I think we have to keep in mind that 
RIPE task is resource distribution not holding them in a drawer.

A patent is useful when registered, detailed described and made public 
so that anyone can understand the benefit and re-do the same following 
patent istructions.
Not in a drawer. It becomes a rich business when you can make it 
available to the market at a so resoanable (sometimes not) price a that 
people don't need to build up it themself.
I hate the guys whos eyes are rolling with dollar symbol when they see a 
new business opportunity: speculators.
I love people that when find a new business are entusiat to do business 
with it 'cause it  solve a problem or makes life easier and better and 
they can make money with it.

I don't think policy 2015-01 will save IPv4 and I don't think it is its 
purpose.
I don't think this will make someone richer and someone else poorer, 
that's a market thing.
I like it in its simpleness: just an alignement.
Transferred IPs have to be holded 24 months... with 2015-01 *all* 
transferred IPs have to be holded 24months that's it.
"Simple and clean" as considered by Gert ad RIPE69 listeing to proposal.

In the past someone chated the system with fake address plans "I need 
more address space"
Now someone cheats the system with fake "I need a new LIR"
I can't see any difference in this and to me 2015-01 looks fair enough.

am with Sebastian

>I agree but currently I don't have a good idea what else to do that
>will not interfer with normal LIR operation(s).

About "must deploy IPv6" I remeber you that IPv6 allocation requirement 
has been just removed from /22 IPv4 requests.
Acceped march 2015: 2014-04, "Removing IPv6 Requirement for Receiving 
Space from the Final /8"
You don't even need an IPv6 address space to ask for IPv4 /22
Now remember that RIPE task is to distribute resources and think about it.

from NRO stats https://www.nro.net/statistics

2012 - AVAILABLE IPv4 /8s IN
RIPE 1.02
ARIN 2.86

06/2015 - AVAILABLE IPv4 /8s IN
RIPE 1.09
ARIN 0.13
https://www.ripe.net/publications/ipv6-info-centre/about-ipv6/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph
https://www.arin.net/

task: distribute resources. ARIN has almost reached the task don't you 
think?

Another point:
Acceped april 2015: 2014-05 Proposal Accepted (Policy for Inter-RIR 
Transfers of Internet Resources)
Please note the "Arguments Opposing the Proposal" It may reintroduce 
needs justification to the RIPE region [...]

Finally
I think the policies are going the right way.
This won't stop speculators or fix everything but is trying to save the 
task of distributing resources in a bottom - up fair way (read as 
approved from the community)

Standing on me I finally decided study better IPv6 and understand its 
market problem and I will try spend some work in that direction next months.
Even if 17 years old he's still a teen and see a couple of market 
problems in it.
 From RIPE70 i decided to go this way and I'll get in touch with IETF 
and try to put some ideas in and see if something can help.

kind regards
Riccardo

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Riccardo Gori
e-mail: rgori at wirem.net

wirem.net

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