[address-policy-wg] Future of Re: [policy-announce] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations)

Ask RIPE NCC going to routing level to check announcement might not be such
a good idea.



On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Garry Glendown <garry at nethinks.com> wrote:

>
> >> I will readily admit that I can not come up with a text which prevents
> >> abuse _and_ allows for valid operational needs, though.
> > Indeed. Mergers & acquisitions are real-world business events that APWG
> > cannot affect. I see a big nut to crack on how to address abuse via
> > "illegitimate" M&A, including figuring out what is and what is not
> > "illegitimate" and "abuse".
> I reckon if/when this proposal has gone through (either confirmed or
> rejected), some sane solution to this whole thing has to be found ... as
> several people - even some nay-sayers - have said, the current proposal
> does not cover enough bases to discourage or prevent policy abuse.
>
> I'm sure that - as it has a direct impact on the business of both
> IP-brokers and wannabe-profiteers - it will face even stronger
> opposition by several people, but most likely no substantial arguments
> (as we have already seen these last couple days - after all, saying "it
> will cut in my personal profit" won't be a valid argument against the
> policy to knowingly cut into profits of policy-abusers in order to allow
> late entries into the ISP market some affordable set of IPv4 addresses).
>
> Without really thinking about all possibilities, I would imagine there
> are certain reasons for or against the transfer of IPs, though some
> wording and "way of proof" would have to be found that be used to decide
> whether a transfer was permitted or not ...
>
> From the top of my head, for a transfer, certain situations come to mind:
>
> * merger/acquisition of company (can be proved through official
> papers/registration information)
> * is there actually any other justifiable reason?
>
> Personally, I would see certain use cases where a transfer is not
> necessary for any technical/organizational reasons: (which may even
> weigh stronger than e.g. the merger/acquisition argument)
>
> * shutdown of an ISP or company, where loss of IP usage would not impact
> customers (current use is terminated, IPs are no longer announced)
> * IPs were never (publicly?) used or only intermittently announced (how
> could actual use be documented apart from just an announcement? Would an
> announcement on the Internet be sufficient?), or have been unused for a
> certain amount of time (3 months?)
>
> Due to the fact that IP addresses (especially PAs assigned to an LIR)
> are not "owned" by the LIR (in part documented by the yearly bill for
> the resource) IPs should not count as an asset with monetary value, thus
> allowing the RIR to collect them if policy requirements aren't met.
>
> Possibly: Requirement to announce and use IPs from last-/8 within 3
> months of assignment, otherwise the non-transferal-duration would be
> extended by 1 year
>
> *putting on flame-resistant armor*
>
> -garry
>
>


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Kind regards.
Lu

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