[address-policy-wg] Complaint and future of the APWG.

A Chair is a position, the human sit on it should keep this integrity and
hide his personal preference while making calls.

Just like if you become a Judge, you are expected to judge things based on
fact and reality, not on accusations without ground and personal emotions,
you can not say I am going to sentence that guy for 10 years just because I
don't like what he is doing. And while you are making mistaken judgement,
people have rights to complaint to higher level to make things right.

Same here, I feel some of the Chair's judgement was not fair, and I am
making complaint about it, I feel in this free speech world, I have all my
rights to do so.



On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Petr Umelov <petr at fast-telecom.net> wrote:

> A chair is not a human, it is a thing :):):)
>
> 11.06.2015, 14:54, "Lu Heng" <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>:
> > Hi
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger <
> sebastian at karotte.org> wrote:
> >> * Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> [2015-06-11 13:03]:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I agree with you no more personal attack should happening any more.
> >>>
> >>> *And to be very clear, I am not attacking Gert personally.*
> >>
> >> Yes you do. You're questioning his integrity.
> >
> > No, I am not questioning his integrity, I am questioning Chair of APWG's
> integrity, his integrity has nothing to do in this case, Chair of the APWG
> is not a person, it is a position in the community to moderate and manage
> the list. While I complaint about Chair of the APWG, why it has to become
> personal to Gert?
> >
> >>> *I am complaint about one of working group chair does not keep the
> level of
> >>> integrity as it should.*
> >>
> >> Gert is one of the few people I know that I trust completely regarding
> >> integrity. He proved me right again by letting Sander conclude this
> >> proposal so that neutrality is given.
> >
> > I was not talking about his neutrality of this proposal. I was talking
> about my personal information and company info getting posted in the list
> while the Chair conclude it has relevance to the policy discussion.
> >
> >>> It is fundamental difference, in personal level, I do like to be friend
> >>> with Gert and he of course feel free to like or dislike me. However as
> APWG
> >>> chair, I believe Chair should remain neutral on all ground but not
> judging
> >>> things based on personal preference as well as personal emotions.
> >>
> >> Noone can remain neutral on all grounds all the time. That is why he
> >> is not "judging" anything in this case. Sander is.
> >
> > No one can, personally, but while you are in a position, then you
> should. the person of you does not matter any more, rules apply to that
> position.
> >
> >>> Let's not dive to far from what should be happening here, policy
> discussion.
> >>
> >> Back at you.
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
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> >
> > --
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> > Kind regards.
> > Lu
> >
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