[address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations)

I don't think the opinion is fair. It mainly guesses like

"if the rate of requesting new /22s remains the same"
" It's an important chunk of change in my opinion, and it is in the current LIRs interest that this money keeps flowing in."

I think many voices have been raised that there is no need to lower the membership fee (and it is not this wg to decide about it), but mainly the measure to prevent the abuse of the rules.

Regards,
Vladislav Potapov
Ru.iiat

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Hi!

Fully support your arguments.

09.06.2015, 13:42, "Storch Matei" <matei at profisol.ro>:
> Hi,
>
> I oppose this proposal, mainly because of the RIPE NCC's points of 
> view regarding this proposal. Reading the impact analysis, it is my 
> understanding that this policy will not make a real difference from 
> the RIPE NCC's point of view, and that if the rate of requesting new 
> /22s remains the same, the pool of available Ipv4 resources will last 
> more than 5 years from now - which from my point of view is a long time.
>
> Also, this procedure of opening new LIRs benefits the current LIRs 
> because it finances the RIPE NCC, and will cause the membership fee to be lowered.
> Just do 179 (transferred in the last eight months) times 2000 euros 
> setup fee alone. It's an important chunk of change in my opinion, and 
> it is in the current LIRs interest that this money keeps flowing in.
>
> Also, if this policy will be adopted, it is my opinion that it should 
> be enforced on the /22s allocated after the adoption of this policy. 
> Otherwise, from my point of view, it would be a "change of the rules during the game"
> and it would have retroactive effects - which is not ok.
>
> Thank you,
> Matei Storch
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> From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On 
> Behalf Of Garry Glendown
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 13:04
> To: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact 
> Analysis Published (Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 
> Allocations)
>
> Guten Tag,
>>  I opposite this proposal.
>>
>>  It only will increase the price of the block, RIPE won't be get
>>  payment from this scheme and will increase the price of membership
>
> I don't see why this proposal causes a price increase for legitimate 
> LIRs that plan on operating instead of just existing for the cause of 
> receiving a
> /22 then transfer to another LIR ...
>
> Personally, I believe the proposal (or a later extension of the 
> policy) should also limit the intake of /22 from the last /8 on the 
> receiving end - while I do understand that for any late entry into the 
> Internet market the limitation of getting around with just one /22 is 
> causing a certain degree of hardship, it's still something that should 
> not be relieved just by throwing money at it, while new companies with 
> even later entry into the market end up without any v4 addresses at 
> all due to hoarders ... so limiting transfer-in to something like 3x 
> /22 over the period of 5 years (for example) could make it even more 
> expensive (albeit, again, would not completely rule out hoarding)
>
> Anyway, as a first step, I support 2015-01 ...
>
> Regards, Garry
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