[address-policy-wg] We need IPv4 transfers

> Although this is the last call, and I have been criticizing the
> usefulness of this proposal in protecting the remained IPv4, I am not
> still logically replied.
> Those questions were:
> 1- How can we prevent transfers by accepting this proposal? We can
> always transfer by taking ownership of the sellers company. So this
> proposal would not be beneficial at all.
But by - for now - accepting the proposal, at least the cost will be
increased, making the abuse of the last-/8 policies more costly
(additional year of LIR fees), while not increasing cost for legitimate
uses ...
> 2- According to the 1st question, and knowing that , there are some
> dealers who get IP's from RIPE NCC and sell them to customers,  Why
> wouldn’t RIPE NCC sell the IP's directly to them? (By allowing those
> companies to register new LIR and get new /22).
The point is not for RIPE to make money on distributing IP addresses -
if they wanted to do that, I believe it would only take a couple days to
deplete the remaining IP addresses available ... The point is to
conserve IP addresses in order to allow new companies who do not have
IPs but require at least a minimal set of v4-addresses to survive until
v6 is universally available to all users ... (which will most likely
take quite a while, given the current state)
> 3- Obviously the internet is increasing and companies need more IP's,
> and there are some other IP's available in RIPE NCC, Why shouldn't we
> use them? The people won't think about IPv6 seriously unless they see
> there is no other IPv4.
Anybody who needs to see even more scarcity of v4-addresses (e.g. ARIN
only has the equivalent of ~140 /22 left, and it's dropping quickly!) is
either stupid or doesn't want to see the business case for getting IPv6
up and running ...
> 4- If people are unable to transfer IP's. They will lend them. (The
> proposal won't help again)
Again, the cost for an LIR who was just set up to get a /22 has
increased due to the fact they have to be a member for two years instead
of one ... plus the uncertainty as to what improvements the RIPE
community will add to the policies in order to help legitimate use of
last-/8 policies ...

-garry