[address-policy-wg] [ncc-services-wg] Crimea papers

Dear all,

Its just my couple of cents, please disregard if you feel this inappropriate

1. 	The problem raised by Max is deeper. It concerns two properties with
the way Internet resources are distributed: a) some independence from the
national governments, and b) neutrality. These principles have enabled the
proliferation of the Internet globally. Internet being an alternative
ITU-independent, community-driven etc. blah blah we all know it. 
2. 	Neutrality as well as freedom of information would be more useful to
the oppressor at any conflict situation. There are situations where these
have to be challenged and questioned over and over. Its because "neutrality"
in some cases could be seen as a collaboration with the occupant or worse -
a silent participation in a crime. 
Question is whenever there should be a special policy in such cases for
allocation of resources, or current set of policies are sufficient enough.
3. 	Paradoxically, neutrality, availability of international resources
like Internet connectivity, and objective information in the grey zones of
conflicts and disputes are the only counter-measures against the propaganda
of whichever side. 

So yes, IMHO it is an appropriate forum to discuss the current set of
policies of distribution of Internet resources in the light of current
situation.

LIR registration policy requires "The legal, registered address of your
organization" to be provided. If RIPE NCC or any RIR will consider
"Sevastopol, Russia" a legal address of the company, then it creates a
precedent for even less favorable "legal" addresses. The same should apply
to the change of legal address, reallocation of resources, etc. On the other
hand denial of change will essentially void the functionality of LIR.
Requests for allocation of resources for the region by the legal (not
"legal") entity, e.g. existing registered LIR shall be processed normally.


There is no good answer in these cases.

-----Original Message-----
From: address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net
[mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Baeza (Red y
Sistemas TVT)
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:10 AM
To: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] [ncc-services-wg] Crimea papers

Hi all,

Dont get me wrong, but Is this list the correct one to discuss about if
Crimea is or isnt part of Russia or Ukranie. If the Crimea ppl decided to be
or forced to be part of Russia?

I think we shouldnt take part in a politic discussion, even more when this
list only references to Address Policy, not RIPE politics.

 >Kseniya wrote:
 >
 >Gert Doering,
 >
 >Just one question. Will RIPE NCC acept these documents or not?
 >
 >If yes, that will show that European words means nothing. And words  >are
not backed up by actions.

Im NOT answering in name of Gert, but I think Gert dont have the answer to
that. Remember, this is the ADDRESS POLICY, not the RIPE POLITICS working
group.

Best Regards,

-Daniel



El 29/07/2014 9:33, Gert Doering escribió:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 02:53:52AM +0300, Dmitriy Zemlyanoy wrote:
>>> Depending which media outlet you decide to believe, crimean people 
>>> decided to be part of Russia
>>
>> This is wrong statement. Not Crimea people decided, but Russian 
>> soldiers.
>> Probably you know that nobody in the world accept the results of 
>> referendum under machine guns.
>
> If you quote me, quote me completely, do not cut off the second half, 
> otherwise it's not useful discussing with you.
>
> I did present a balanced view *BECAUSE* it is hard to understand from 
> the outside what exactly happened there, without having been there, as 
> it's not clear which reports are trustworthy and which are not.  Both 
> sides use the media to spread propaganda.
>
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster
>

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