[address-policy-wg] Use of the Reserved IP Pool

Hi,

This is my last email for today, Im at home a need to unplug my mind 
from work till tomorrow.

You are talking about an ISP with millions of subscribers. I know 
everyone here are the same, nobody is up to other, but I think the 
community should think about not every LIR is a giant telco with 
millions subscribers. There are also little telcos with only thousands, 
and for sure they dont have the same bucket.
A giant telco can spend millions € on equipment, i+d, etc when the small 
ones cant.

A hosting provider is not an example. A single IP can host hunders or 
thousands of webs,mails,dns, almost everything. An ISP cant do the same.

About consensous, again, only 6 ppl of 3000k+ subscribers to the list 
cant be the consensous. Nobody cant say "This is going to nothing" 
because me and 3 more already said no, so dont go that way.

I'll be very happy if tomorrow, or next week, i see emails with "Hey 
dude, your proposal can be better if..." instead of rotunds NOes with 
always the same; we discussed this few years ago. That means it cant me 
discussed again? Im trying to discuss, not to impose anything.

Also, im being treated as crazy for what Im saying. As I said in first, 
another RIR is going to do what Im trying to propose here, even while 
they have a similar last /8 proposal, so I shouldnt be so crazy.

Best regards to everyone.

PS: Please, again, I dont want to offense or insult anybody. If any of 
the words/phrases I said expressed that, please correct me at anytime.

El 02/07/2014 20:29, Gert Doering escribió:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 07:53:08PM +0200, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote:
>> What I want to know is if there is anyone who only have a /22 and are ok
>> with not recieving (even if there are) more allocations (unknow prefix)
>> only for if in 10-15 years IPv6 isnt globally deployed.
> You can assume that most receivers of a /22 will not be happy.
>
> But most other receivers of IPv4 address space are not happy either - here
> in Germany, all the access ISPs that are still growing truly fast (like,
> "Kabel Deutschland") have moved to a DS-Lite model where IPv4 is delivered
> over a CGNAT - because there is no way they can get enough IPv4 for
> millions of customers.
>
> It's even worse for hosting providers.  You can't put web server farms
> behind a CGNAT box...
>
> (We've been unhappy with IPv4 for the last 15 years, because the whole
> topic of "you can only get what you fill in paperwork for" has been
> annyoing even back then)
>
> So: yeah, most ISPs are not exactly happy with the way IPv4 shortage
> plays out.  But what's the alternative?  "Some people are still not
> able to get all the IPv4 space they need, and other people will not
> get anything at all anymore"?
>
> This is what people are trying to tell you: RIPE policy needs to balance
> individual needs against the needs of everyone else.  We fully understand
> that you're not happy, but the feedback you got so far is that nobody
> else supports the idea where you plan to go - and this is usually a pretty
> good indication that no, there is no consensus.  (Judging comments, there
> is the type that says "yeah, support", the one that says "I like the
> general idea, but some details will not work" and the ones that say "this
> is a bad idea and will not work, because..." - unless you have more of
> the first ones, no go)
>
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster

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