[address-policy-wg] [Ticket#2014072901004581] 2014-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Allow IPv4 PI transfer [...]

Everybody knows a lot of ISPs use PI at result of non-ideal IPv4 assignment policy from the RIPE NCC side.

The single solution is to make PI cost = PA cost and allow ISP to move PI > PA without additional problems.


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Andrei Kushnireuski



On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:54, LeaderTelecom Ltd. <info at leadertelecom.ru> wrote:

> Dear Andrzej,
> 
> > PI and PA are for different purposes.
> > PA are for ISP's, who give ip's for customers.
> 
> Yes, this is great theory.
> 
> In fact people ask - why I have to pay for LIR? PI is cheaper for me. I will use IPs as I need. 
> I see a lot of requests for PI networks last month. They ready to pay for transfer one time and then pay very small money every year. 
> 
> > Then - PI owner with /24 block would pay 100E. And ISP with /18 would pay 64 *100E = 6400E ? :)
> 
> I remember very long discussion about it ) We decided that each LIR is a member and we contribute same amount of money into RIPE. And it is logicaly.
>  
> --
> Aleksei
> 
> 04.08.2014 12:37 - Andrzej Dopierała написал(а):
> PI and PA are for different purposes.
> PA are for ISP's, who give ip's for customers.
> I cooperate with two ip owners.
> One - is ISP. Give ip, block of ip for customers (on lans, in collocations etc). It's LIR.
> 
> Second - is voip provider. Need stable links from differend upstreams, with BGP. Don't give ip for cusomers. IP's are used only for own infrastructure - SIP proxy, registrars, application services, www with SSL, VPNS's etc.
> 
> And need stable ip's, because changing ip's in customers is extremaly hardly (they have ipsecs, firewalls etc).
> Here is used PI class.
> 
> I think puting both ip owners in one bag is misteake. First - use thousands of ip's. For second - /24 is enought forever.
> 
> Paying by both common "lir fee" would be unfair.
> 
> If we want to be fair - why not pay for every used ip? why shouldn't pay 100E every /24 block?
> 
> Then - PI owner with /24 block would pay 100E. And ISP with /18 would pay 64 *100E = 6400E ? :)
> 
> W dniu 04.08.2014 10:14, LeaderTelecom Ltd. pisze:
>  
> Hello all,
> 
> I don't support this proposal.
> 
> This is Pandora's box. 
> 
> To get 1024 IPs for now company can register LIR and pay to RIPE 2000 eur + 1600 eur annually. If same company will transfer PI, then they will pay to RIPE only 50 eur.
> 
> LIR's will be in much worse situation than owners of PI-networks.
> 
> We can apply proposal if we will increase payment for PI-networks after transfer. For example, 1000 eur annually for each PI resource. In this situation new LIRs and owners of PI-network will pay into RIPE NCC similar payments.
> 
> --
> Aleksei Ivanov
> LeaderTelecom
>  
> 
> On 28 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
> 
> > Dear AP WG,
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:58:51AM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote:
> >> The draft document for the proposal described in 2014-02,
> >> "Allow IPv4 PI transfer" has been published. The impact analysis
> >> that was conducted for this proposal has also been published.
> >>
> >>
> >> You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at:
> >>
> >>    https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-02
> >>
> >> and the draft document at:
> >>
> >>    https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-02/draft
> >
> >
> > We could use a bit more input on this proposal.  We have one clear
> > statement of support, and one mail that puts up some questions while not
> > taking a clear pro/con position - and that is not enough to declare
> > anything except "needs more time" at the end of review phase.
> >
> > So, tell me your thoughts, please.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Gert Doering,
> >  APWG chair
> >
> >
> > Gert Doering
> >        -- NetMaster
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> Regards,
> Andrzej 'The Undefined' Dopierała
> http://andrzej.dopierala.name/

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