[address-policy-wg] About the /22 allocation limitation

Good morning all,

>>> But instead of running into exhaustion in "2 months" we can handle it to
>>> be "2 years". Please, take in account the time between quotes as an
>>> example.
>> An example, perhaps, but a wildly unlikely one if I understand¹ your
>> proposal correctly. The LIRs in the RIPE region have over the last 18
>> month gathered up a large unmet demand. Therefore I expect that if we do
>> create a new small pool for "normal" allocations, it will be gone pretty
>> much overnight. It'll be like a lottery, just like when a radio host
>> announces «we've got N free X for the first Y people to call us». I do
>> not believe this would be useful to the community.
>>
>> [1] To 1) leave the "last /8 policy" as it currently is (1 /22 per LIR)
>> for 185.0.0.0/8 only, and 2) allocate according to demonstrated need for
>> all other addresses that somehow finds their way into the RIPE NCC's
>> allocation pool (such as returned/reclaimed from LIRs, delegated from
>> the IANA Recovered IPv4 Pool, and so forth). This new pool would have a
>> minimum allocation size of /24 and no maximum size. Have I understood
>> correctly?
> I would be against a policy proposal in this form. It would unequal to 
> the members and would create more hassle for everyone (introducing the 
> need based justification again, after we have just removed it...that 
> would be the worst idea)
Isnt unequal right now? Are you saying is equal LIRs with thousands and 
thousands of IP address when there are LIRs with only a /22? Is equal 
that the LIRs with thousands can make lot of money from LIRs with only a 
/22?

Its so hard to prove you need more IPs?

>
> Considering the size of the available and reserved pool, and noticing 
> that it's mostly going up and not down, I would, support a policy 
> proposal that would change the /22 in a /21 (for example). All members 
> that already received a /22 could receive a second one, all members 
> that have not requested a /22 from the last /8, could request a /21.
>

Thats could be a possibility, but again giving IP space to all the ones 
ask for it, in my honest opinion, will produce the same problem we have 
now. New LIRs will run out while old and big LIRs will make money 
selling IPs to little new LIRs.

El 10/04/2014 13:30, Gert Doering escribió:
> True.  But will it change anything?  We knew that we'd run out of IPv4
> at least 10 years ago, and we've made lots of noise to push people towards
> IPv6 - and it only started for real when IPv4 had run out.

Yes it will. At least I think so. Im not saying to give more space to 
everyone. Please consider isnt the same LIRs with thousands and 
thousands of IP space and LIRs with only a /22
Without the possibility, even in the future, of giving more IP space to 
little new LIRs you are dooming them.

>
> So if we had made it "last longer", then the "IPv6 for real" deployment
> in the large ISPs would have started later - and the installed basis of
> IPv4-using gear would have been much larger, so the migration would have
> been*more*  work...
Sorry, didnt understood you. My english isnt so good.


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