[address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)

Hi Sylvain,

I in order to keep the discussion on topic, I will only respond to the
arguments you make against the proposal itself. I think it is to be
expected that the various arguments in favour of the proposal will
resonate differently with different people. Even if you may feel that
some of them are not at all applicable, that does not mean that they
become arguments against.

> Unfortunately we do not support this new proposal, because conservation
> still is a goal to us, as IPv4 public ressource keeps being vital for
> many structures.

Conservation is the natural behaviour in an environment of scarcity.
This proposal does not compel the LIRs to stop conserving their
remaining stock of IPv4 addresses (if any), it merely gives them the
freedom to choose exactly how their conservation model looks like.

No sensible LIR will respond to 2013-03 by immediately assigning away
its remaining stock to the first End User to pass by. And, even if that
happens, the non-sensible LIR in question has only done damage to
itself. The rest of us are not impacted by its nonsensical behaviour.

> Deregulation + commercial transfer make the ressources governed by sole
> market, which we do not agree with. We consider Ripe NCC should stay in
> its regulation role and not give public ressources away to the private
> sector and market.

The transfer policy is in place already. If you oppose a commercial
transfer market, 2013-03 is the wrong policy proposal to attack, it is
really 2007-08 you should be going after.

On your second point, I would like to stress that 2013-03 version 3 does
ensure that the NCC's distribution of IPv4 address space stays the same
as right now: If you want your last /22, you'll have to use it for
making assignments; and if you're an IXP and want something larger than
a /24, you'll have to demonstrate the operational need for it.

Also, I think it is worth noting that "giving public resources away" is
and has always been one of the (perhaps "the") primary functions of the
NCC. This is true even when the recipient is a private sector LIR who
might at a later time choose to sell the resource on the IPv4 market.
This is how things are today. 2013-03 does not change it one way or the
other.

If you want to prohibit private sector entities from being eligible from
receiving resources from the NCC, you are free to submit a proposal that
does just that. If you want to undo 2007-08 and thus retire the IPv4
market, you are free to submit a proposal that does just that too. But
please leave those topics out of the 2013-03 thread.

> 1. reduced bureaucracy :
> 
>   I do not consider proper use of ressources and justification as
>   just "bureaucracy" but as a necessity to take good care

As above, if you feel that the current forms and paperwork is matching
your LIR's requirements perfectly, you are completely at liberty to
continue using those exact same forms post 2013-03. Nobody is attempting
to take your current forms and operational procedures away from you.
Indeed, you are free to ignore this proposal completely and continue
running your LIR exactly as you have done before.

> Eventually, it was not mentionned (despite this was discussed
> previously) that the disappearance of the conservation goal could
> stop the unused space collection, thus artificially accelerating
> the depletion and its disastrous effects for some little structures.

The RIPE NCC does not actively "collect unused space", beyond accepting
anything that is being voluntarily returned to them or is left orphaned
by closing LIRs (and it will continue to do exactly that post 2013-03).

Furthermore, depletion is a past event in the RIPE region. It cannot be
"accelerated" (or "stopped"). The only thing that remains is the
so-called "last /8" austerity pool, and as I've pointed out above,
2013-03 upholds the conservation policies covering this pool intact (1
/22 per LIR; 1 /24-/22 per IXP).

Best regards,
Tore Anderson