[address-policy-wg] 2013-06 New Policy Proposal (PA/PI Unification IPv6 Address Space)

Hi Andrea,

thank you for the numbers :-)

On 10/4/13 3:12 PM, Andrea Cima wrote:
>
> Hi Elvis,
>
> Please find the numbers below.
>
> On 10/1/13 11:46 AM, Elvis Velea wrote:
>
>> [1] to the RIPE NCC: Can you please give us some aggregate data
>> regarding the following numbers:
>> (We do not need exact numbers, as these will change 5 minutes later
>> once you make a new registry change - assignment/allocation/etc)
>>
>> 1. Is my number correct ? There are approximately 28355 PI assignments
>
> There are approximately 25.000 IPv4 PI assignments issued by the RIPE NCC.
>
>> 2. How many organisations are using these 28355 PIs?
>>
>
> Approximately 20.500 organisations.
>
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So, we have about ~20.000 Non-LIRs and ~10.000 LIRs (round numbers)

I'll ignore for now the rest of the numbers as these are too low to make 
a difference.


I asked for these numbers to make a few estimations on how could the 
budget look like in the next years.

What I was thinking to propose is the following:

Let's consider, for the ease of calculation, that the RIPE NCC budget 
for 2015 will be ~€22M and we will have 10.000 LIRs and 20.000 non-LIRs 
using PIv4 or IPv6 allocations.

The exact numbers could be provided by the RIPE NCC, however.. again, 
for the sake of conversation, let's consider the following scenarios 
based on rough numbers:

1. The simple way

- the RIPE NCC budget could be divided in two parts, 50% paid by LIRs; 
50% paid by Non-LIRs. €11M would be paid by 10.000 LIRs and €11M would 
be paid by the rest of 20.000 non-LIRs

That means that the LIRs would see a decrease of 700€ in their fees, 
they would pay 1100€/year.
It also means that they users of PIv4 or IPv6 'direct' allocations would 
see an increase from 50€ to 550€.

I think this would be the easiest way, however, the RIPE NCC board may 
not agree to risk the budget.

In that case, we could come up with the next calculus:


2. The complicated way

- the RIPE NCC budget would be paid using the scheme 80/20%

This means LIRs would pay 80% of the budget and would only see a 
decrease of 40€ in the anual fee (from 1800€ to 1760€) and the non-LIR 
would have to pay 220€ (no matter how many resources they would use).

This simple mathematical exercise has been made only considering that 
the whole budget would be constructed only from the fees.

Additionally, current price / assignment is 50€. Considering that 
~20.500 organisations are using ~25.000 assignments, some organisations 
already pay more than 50€, some even up to €500 (if they use - for 
example - 10 assignments).


3. The fair way

With 30.000 organisations and a 22M€ budget, if we were to divide the 
price equally, every organisation would need to pay around 700€/year, no 
matter how many resources they use. That means a decrease of 1100€ for 
each LIR and an increase of 650€ (or less for the organisations using 
more than one assignment).

I expect to see that organisations currently using IPv4 PI to start 
using IPv6 as well. That means that the increase would actually be from 
min 100€ (50€ for v4 and 50€ for v6) to 700€.


4. Would you think of any other option?

cheers,
elvis