[address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Clean up)

On 8/4/13 09:48 , Tore Anderson wrote:
> * David Farmer
>
>> I believe the primary definition of fairness the RIR communities have
>> been using is, "only those that have *verified operational need* get
>> Internet number resources".
>
> Do you have a link or reference? (Tried Google, no hits.)

Try goal #1 in section #1 of RFC 2050.
See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2050#section-1

And in slightly different words, try goal #1 in section #2 of RFC 
2050-bis.
See http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-housley-rfc2050bis-02#section-2

>> Furthermore, I believe that now that everyone's operational need can no
>> longer be meet, a state of scarcity, that fairness is doubly important.
>> How does verified operational need provide fairness in a state of
>> scarcity?  If someone without verified operational need were to receive
>> Internet number resources, presumably through a transfer, and you have
>> verifiable operational need that can no longer be meet; it would add
>> insult to injury that someone without that verifiable operational need
>> receives Internet number resources when you can't.  Therefore, verifying
>> operational need for transfers, still provides some minimal amount of
>> fairness to those that are not going to receive Internet number resources.
>
> Let me get this straight, are you saying here that our current goal of
> fairness in our current state of scarcity is to protect the *feelings*
> of the LIRs who return home from the second-hand market empty-handed?
> (Currently 96-97% of them.)

You always have to look at fairness from the perspective of those who 
don't get what they want.  Fairness isn't usually an issue raised by 
those that get what they want.  And, as I said I'm not saying 
operational need is perfect, in the current situation, but it is 
something and you are proposing to take even that little bit away 
without saying what replaces it.

Personally, I'm not fundamentally opposed to operational need going 
away, especially the current overly bureaucratic way it is determined, 
if you can find something that replaces it that provides some sense of 
fairness that you seem to agree is necessary.


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