[address-policy-wg] declining 2012-01

On 04/15/2012 10:03 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> John Curran: "eek! I can't participate in policy development." Well, sure you can at the IGF,

don't worry, i think it's obvious that this statement has nothing to do with what he's actually doing. he does, although as he indicated himself, maybe he shouldn't.

> Scott Leibrand: "we shouldn't have a global policy because of 'differences in the different regions' situations...'" In other words (to translate from the original American), "my region has a self-interest in creating trade barriers." Yeah, I know that, Scott, that's my point. And your second point seems to boil down to this: those of us currently running RIRs feel more comfortable doing bilateral deals with our buddies in other RIRs. Yeah, I know that, Scott, that's my point. So you don't think there's anything wrong with that? So you don't want to let anyone else in the game? Please reconsider.  

actually i think every region has an intrinsic self-interest in not allowing pirating of the ip-commons. that's probably because of the definition of the region in this context being the community - as opposed to a small arbitrary group of people who'd like to make money from this commons.

your unilateral approach isn't really convincing, btw...

> McTim: "so you want to develop a policy proposal in Forum A which can only be decided upon in Fora B, C, D, E and F??". Yes, duh, that's what the IGF is for. What is so odd and difficult about well-intentioned people meeting at the IGF, finding out what kind of a proposal(s) could be on the table, debating their merits and demerits, and agreeing to take what is agreeable into those Fora in a coordinated way?. Can you tell me again why you fear that? 

you're right. certainly nobody can prohibit you to think about a proposal, in whatever group you chose to. actually i'd be very happy about and would strongly support you to discuss that in some other group - igf, un, itu, why not, who cares...

> Any time someone expresses dissatisfaction with current RIR approaches to address policy, out comes the broken record: "make a policy proposal and put it before the RIRs." And as soon as someone starts to do that, and asks you to get serious about cooperating with them, you come up with a dozen lame excuses to tell them, as Randy colorfully put it, to "foad"

well, reality check: i don't feel addressed as i didn't tell anybody to foad. not even to pirates trying to f**k up the dispute by bluff attempts of redefinition, or proclaiming war to people who think different. actually from my pov it's what "they" did: i received nice flames in private, telling me to foad (still, my replies just content to point out the flames' missing subject matter, which makes them pointless).

> The workshop will happen. There will be a global proposal. You CAN make it fail and you probably will. But in the not-so-long run, that could end up being a major defeat for you, not me and the others you think you are fending off. A lot of people are starting to watch this. 

well, there already was a proposal to ripe.

it just failed.

regards,

	Chris