[address-policy-wg] 2011-03 New Policy Proposal (Post-depletion IPv4 address recycling)

Hi,

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:43:16PM +0200, Daniel Stolpe wrote:
> I guess this depends on what we want to happen. If we think it's about 
> time to "act now" on IPv6 this is probably the right thing. As I wrote 
> earlier, once we enter the "final /8 stage" any remaning and/or returned 
> IPv4 space will be locked. That means it will be complete meningless to 
> return any space to the RIPE NCC and we will surely see quite a bit of 
> black market tradning instead.

Thanks for the clarification - yes, this could be one of the possible
side effects.  On the other hand, it is not completely unreasonable to
assume that "returning to the RIPE NCC for free" is not going to happen
as long as there is paying customers to receive the address space - and
if there is no longer a market, there might not be that much demand from
the RIPE NCC either...

I don't know what the future brings regarding IPv4 - but I can only strongly
urge everybody to accept the fact that the IPv4 supply at all RIRs is 
running out, and investigate alternatives.

> So Daniel has got a point but as Gert pointed out it might be outside the 
> scope of this proposal.

Well.  The current "last /8" policy does not really take this situation
into account, and so the RIPE NCC decided how to handle that situation 
*should* it happen (by not going back to the old policy).

At the last meeting, there was no opposition against that interpretation
of the policy, but it was felt that this should be written down, to make
it very explicit - and this is what Remco is proposing.

If we indeed want something else to happen, a new policy proposal should
be brought forward to actually change the current text to make it only
apply to "addresses specifically from the last /8" - but beware, this will
cause more unhappiness, and more concerns about *unfairness*.  Just assume
that someone generous will return a /16, and there are 5 large DSL or cable
ISPs that all can document a need for at least a /12 in the next 3 months...

... so who will get the /16?  What about the 20 smaller ISPs that only
want a /20 each?

As soon as we're down to managing the scraps, *any* policy is likely to
cause major feelings of unfairness...

Gert Doering
        -- APWG chair
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did you enable IPv6 on something today...?

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