[address-policy-wg] getting second IPv6 PA as a LIR

Hay,

Am 03.05.2011 um 16:03 schrieb Mikael Abrahamsson:

> On Tue, 3 May 2011, poty at iiat.ru wrote:
> 
>> so, basically what you are saying is that you know that your routers need an upgrade in 5 years and you don't want to pay for an upgrade or you can't figure out a business plan which covers the costs for that?
> 
> Paying for the upgrade by having higher prices towards end-customer is what is going to happen all across the world if we get hundreds of thousands of Ipv6 PI. So everybody pays, just not the ones causing the problem. Classic externalising of costs. See my earlier links.
> 

It's exactly the other way round.
The big ISPs sell Internet at ridiculous low price points, just to have the most customers in their market or just to win a bid over a 
multi million $$$ project over their competitors.

Now they complain that they cannot keep up with the growth of the Internet/the DFZ and want to stop new people or even competitors to
join in? (Not to forget: Try to make content providers pay for transporting date to their own customers, see "net neutrality...")

And you really think you have a valid argument there that the prices need to be raised for everyone? They shouldn't have gone down so far
in the first place if you had a good business plan!
But of course, now that is too late.
It's like the financial crisis all over again... big companies complaining they are out of money, please someone else pay for us and protect
us from new competitors.

>> But you are telling small ISPs/NCOs/"hobbyusers"/whatever THEY don't get their business plan right if they don't can afford paying $$$ for PI space or rather would prefer to pay other bills with the money? WTF?!
> 
> I guess you don't belive in "polluter pays".

You first have to prove to us that adding prefixes to the DFZ is pollution as long as it's not useless de-aggregates.
Who are you to decide which entity is allowed to be in the DFZ and which isn't - the god of the internet?

If you decide to get multihomed in your bedroom, get two BGP Upstreams and multihome. I don't care. I guess you are educated enough
that you know what you are doing and why you need to do this and the RIPE NCC hostmas...i mean... IPRAs :-) will have double checked that
you have valid reasons so i'm fine! Probably you will set up the next Facebook or the next Twitter in your bedroom...wouldn't that
be great for the Internet?

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards

Sascha Lenz [SLZ-RIPE]
Senior System- & Network Architect