[address-policy-wg] getting second IPv6 PA as a LIR

Martin Millnert wrote:
> Marcin,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Marcin Kuczera <marcin at leon.pl> wrote:
>> hello,
>>
>> Is it possible to discuss ability of getting second IPv6 PA allocation as a
>> LIR without filling first one ?
> 
> See below.
> 
>> The reason for such a need is a change of IPv6 PI rules, it is no longer
>> possible to use IPv6 PI as ISP (/128 for subscibers).
>> So, solution is that LIR segment /32 into smaller units an assigning them to
>> their SponsorLIR agreement customers.
>>
>> However, first /32 IPv6 allocation is in our case advertized as whole by our
>> AS13000. Once some internal policy for suballocations is used, this prefix
>> can not be divided into smaller prefixes.
> 
> I doubt this is correct.  You mentioned that you had not filled the
> /32.  In other words, there should be /48s left over unallocated
> internally.
> 
> These /48s can be (sub-)allocated to customers (please forgive my
> flawed internet-numbers-delegation-vocabulary), who are free to
> announce them over BGP sessions.

Indeed, however there is one "little" issue.
/32 is already advertised @AS13000 as whole.

So there are 2 possibilities:
- add paralel route objects, but then MNT-LOWER must be added and all 
related inter-ISP communiaction problems.
- not adverising /32 @ AS13000, adverising only prefixes in use.

Both cases I would like to avoid.
So, I would prefer to have /32 for own purposes, eventually customers 
who buy Internet from us, and other, who are just SponsorLIR customers.

> Presumably, the more ISPs that sign up for this Internet tax (the LIR
> membership fees), the lower it will become (#LIRs is most definitely
> sub-linearly proportional to the RIPE NCC:s operational costs).  It is
> fairly obvious to me that this attempt to (at least partially) solve a
> *perceived* network model problem with taxes is not long-term stable
> in itself.*

You can't use this argument for people who earn around 500-1000 euro per 
month with their business...
Post comunistic block is much different than old EU, and most people 
from old EU do not realize that...

Marcin