[address-policy-wg] 2008-08 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Initial Certification Policy in the RIPE NCC Service Region)

On 26/07/2011 17:08, Rob Evans wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I understand the reasoning and whilst I'm disappointed it has come to this, I think it is the right, and probably only, course for the time being.

I also am very disappointed, but after a great deal of thought and heart 
searching, I think it is the only way forward.

>> the complete avoidance of doubt, at the next RIPE NCC AGM the members will be given the opportunity to vote on a motion to continue this activity or to shut it down.
> Just to completely avoid doubt: will this be as part of the activity plan, or will this be a separate motion?  As it could be contentious I don't want to end up in a situation where we, to use an English colloquialism, risk throwing the baby out with the bath-water.

This will be a separate motion. I want to make it as clear as possible.

>> In the meantime the RIPE NCC will be looking at ways of mitigating the risks that have been identified over the past three years. The community and the membership will be kept fully informed of progress.
> I think it would be really helpful, to me at least, to have a draft outline of some of the steps and the timescales that the NCC will be using to try to achieve this.
I'll see what we can come up with. I would hope that they will have some 
thoughts shortly.
> Whilst the membership does of course decide what the NCC should be spending its money on, and that includes building the infrastructure to support certification, policies are decided through the community using the Policy Development Process, and I (and I don't doubt, you too) really would like to see certification happen through an agreed policy.  However (un)likely that might be.
Agreed, which is why I have stuck with the process for nigh on three 
years. However the consensus process only works where there is a genuine 
desire to reach a common goal and a general willingness to work together 
to achieve this goal. This debate became so polarised that I doubt that 
any consensus could have been achieved. With great regret, we have had 
to admit that the PDP has failed in this case.

Nigel