[address-policy-wg] the cost of PI space

Hallo Erik,
du schrobst:
> Hi Immo, 
> > I am working for such a non profit organization voluntarely (as all of
> > our staff does) and I can assure you that fundraising money for
> > servers/routers is not easy for us. When it comes to periodic costs, it
> > is always a trade off between more bandwith/more servers (= increased
> > power costs) and other things (like address space, lir membership fees,
> > etc). So while most end users of independet ressources might not even
> > notice a shift from 50 euros per anno to 500 euros per anno, at least
> > for us that would make things seriously more difficult. After all,
> > thats why we decided not to become a LIR (eventhough it would otherwise
> > fit better then usage of independend ressources).
> Looking at the cost for PI purely from the viewpoint of a foundation isn't
> realistic imho. 

Agreed, and that was not my intention. However, IMO the non profit
organization viewpoint should also be considered, and thats why I joined
the discussion.

> There are plenty of LIR's that actually sponsor the cost of PI to a
> foundation, especially if it is strategic for the foundation their
> operations. 
> 
> Not knowing what kind of foundation you are working for, but foundations
> that come to my mind that would require PI and multihoming: 
>
> Wikimedia or AMS-IX or alike. 

In my case, it is a provider of services for various group, among others
political activists. In that case, multihoming and independent ressources 
means also independence from your ISP (as you have multiple of them and
he is not connected to your ressources) and thus it is more likely to
get around short handed reactions on law-enforcement-inquires and simmelar
political pressure. Thats why we are multihomed and go for our own ressources
instead of housing our stuff in a large datacenter with resources from some
cheap upstream provider. 

> Looking at reasonable cost for PI IPv6 (when the multihoming requirement
> would be removed) in my opinion, should be around 250 euro yearly. 
> 
> Rationale for that 250 euro cost is: 
> 
> . 	The cost will most likely be enough to remove IT Pet project
> requests behind a DSL line @home 

Are there a reasonable number of that? I personally don't see that they are
commen, not even in the network geek community.

> . 	That kind of yearly cost for PI IPv6 still provides small business
> and even non-profits the option to start with IPv6 deployment if it is
> strategic
> 	for them to have their own IP's, without hindering IPv6 adoption and
> deployment.

From our particular point of view, if I assume 250eur not only for IPv6 PI 
but also for IPv4 PI and AS numbers, we would be already above the XS 
membership fee.

> And if you can't make the (strategic/financial) business case to shell out
> 250 euro yearly for PI IPv6, you can always ask your ISP for regular PA
> IPv6. 

It's certainly mostly better then going for PI if you aren't in a multihomed
environment. I actually see more points against dropping the multihomed 
requirement then pro increasing the fees in your reasining.

Regards,
Immo
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