[address-policy-wg] Agenda (first draft) for RIPE 61 in Rome

Hi APWG folks, RIPE meeting orga,

below you can find a draft for the RIPE address policy WG meeting's agenda,
which will take place in Rome in the following three time slots:

Wednesday, November 17, 09:00 - 10:30
Wednesday, November 17, 11:00 - 12:30
Thursday, November 18, 09:00 - 11:30

The exact time lines depend a bit on how much discussion is going on,
so we might move items one time slot "up" or "down".

If you have anything else you want to see on the agenda, or of we need
to change anything, please let us know.

regards,

Gert Doering,
	APWG chair


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Wednesday, 09:00-10:30
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A. Administrative Matters                                         5 min
   (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.)

B. Current Policy Topics - Emilio Madaio			[20-30 min]

   - global policy overview
     "what's going on?"

   - common policy topics in all regions
     (end of IPv4, transfers, ...)

   - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE60
	2008-07 Efficient Use of Historical IPv4 Resources	- withdrawn
	2009-01 Global Policy ... Allocation of IPv4 to RIRs	- accepted
	2010-03 Global Policy State in RIPE PDP			- withdrawn
	2010-04 80% Rule Ambiguity Cleanup			- accepted

   - brief overview over new proposals (2010-05, 2010-06, 2010-07)


C. Document Cosmetic Surgeries Project - Emilio Madaio		[10 min]

   - update on current status

   - how to go forward?


D. Rough Edges of the current policies				[30 min]

   Report from the RIPE NCC Registration Services department on issues 
   and unintended side-effects showing up in the daily implementation 
   of the RIPE policies.

   Presentation from Alex Le Heux from the RIPE NCC RS:

    o transfer policy and problems with business take-overs
      [problem statement]

    o PI size distribution and its history (growing assignments)
      [background info]

    o IPv6 PI vs. IPv4 PI - background data
      [background info]

   Discussion about the transfer policy issues, and what to do about it.


E. More Rough Edges of the current policies			[10 min]

   "things that have been come up in various fora"

     o interpretation of "utilisation threshold" in IPv6 policy regarding
       /48 and /56s - proposal by Arno Meulenkamp for wording cleanup:

"It might be good to rephrase the text to "Subsequent allocation will 
 be provided when an organisation (i.e. ISP/LIR) satisfies the evaluation 
 threshold of past address utilisation in terms of assigned address space 
 in units of /56 blocks."   (5.2.1, discussion on ipv6-ops at cluenet.de)

   [came up in discussion on the ipv6-ops list, presentation by Gert Doering]


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Wednesday, 11:00-12:30
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I. Even More Rough Edges of the current policies			[45 min]

   o "end site" definition - RIPE 481, 2.9
     2 ADSL links, not connected networks, same legal organization
     -> is there a conflict or not?  1 /48 or 2? 
     do we need to change the policy / clarify the policy text?

     [came up in discussion between the WG chairs, presentation by 
      Sander Steffann, discussion]

   o definition of "openness" in the IPv6 EIX policy

     initiated by 2010-07, but widening the scope from "wording change"
     to "figure out what the policy should be, *then* talk about specific
     wording"

     [presentation by Gert Doering, discussion]

   o generic IPv6 PI discussion(?)

     differences between IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI are being discussed since 
     RIPE 59 - but no specific proposals on the table yet.  Is there a
     need to change the policy, or is it "mostly fine"?

     [presentation by Gert Doering, discussion]


J. New Proposals since RIPE 60 -> 

   Discussion of open policy proposals, Part 1 (new proposals)	[20 min]

   2010-05 Global Policy for IPv4 Allocation by the IANA post exhaustion
	(Jason Schiller et. al.)

   2010-07 Ambiguity cleanup on IPv6 Address Space Policy for IXP
	(presentation?)


L. Discussion of open policy proposals, Part 2 (ongoing proposals)

2008-08 Initial Certification Policy for PA Space Holders	[15 min]
        (Nigel Titley, CA TF - version 2 update)


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Thursday, 09:00-10:30
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T. Discussion of open policy proposals (old proposals, part II)

---- old policy proposals ----

2006-05 PI Assignment Size					[15 min]
        (revived, Nick Hilliard)

2010-01 Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies		[15 min]
	(Nick Hilliard)

2010-02 Allocations from the last /8				[15 min]
        (new combined proposal from Philip Smith and Alain Bidron)


Y. Open Policy Hour

  "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you
  have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting
  it, here is your opportunity."  (Idea from ARIN policy meeting)


  o Martin Hannigan / Jason Schiller: proposal about Inter-RIR transfers


Z. AOB