[address-policy-wg] Agenda (second draft) for RIPE 61 in Rome

Hi APWG folks, RIPE meeting orga,

below you can find new draft for the RIPE address policy WG meeting's agenda,
which will take place in Rome in the following three time slots:

Wednesday, November 17, 09:00 - 10:30
Wednesday, November 17, 11:00 - 12:30
Thursday, November 18, 09:00 - 11:30

the main change is that I had to move Nick Hilliard's policy proposals
from Thursday to Wednesday (due to conflict with EIX-WG), and then had
to shuffle around the rest to form something resembling a logical
structure again :-)

The exact time lines depend a bit on how much discussion is going on,
so we might move items one time slot "up" or "down".

If you have anything else you want to see on the agenda, or of we need
to change anything else, please let us know.

Gert Doering
        -- APWG chair

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Wednesday, 09:00-10:30
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A. Administrative Matters                                         5 min
   (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.)

   point to Axel Pawlik 
   http://www.ripe.net/legal/Closure-of-LIR-and-deregistration-of-INRs_final-draft.pdf  (ncc services WG)

B. Current Policy Topics - Emilio Madaio			[20-30 min]

   - global policy overview
     "what's going on?"

   - common policy topics in all regions
     (end of IPv4, transfers, ...)

   - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE60
	2008-07 Efficient Use of Historical IPv4 Resources	- withdrawn
	2009-01 Global Policy ... Allocation of IPv4 to RIRs	- accepted
	2010-03 Global Policy State in RIPE PDP			- withdrawn
	2010-04 80% Rule Ambiguity Cleanup			- accepted

   - brief overview over new proposals (2010-05, 2010-06, 2010-07)


C. Document Cosmetic Surgeries Project - Emilio Madaio		[10 min]

   - update on current status

   - how to go forward?


D. Rough Edges of the current policies				[30 min]

   Report from the RIPE NCC Registration Services department on issues 
   and unintended side-effects showing up in the daily implementation 
   of the RIPE policies.

   Presentation from Alex Le Heux from the RIPE NCC RS:

    o transfer policy and problems with business take-overs
      [problem statement]

   Discussion about the transfer policy issues, and what to do about it.


E. More Rough Edges of the current policies			[10 min]

   "things that have been come up in various fora"

   o interpretation of "utilisation threshold" in IPv6 policy regarding
     /48 and /56s - proposal by Arno Meulenkamp for wording cleanup:

"It might be good to rephrase the text to "Subsequent allocation will 
 be provided when an organisation (i.e. ISP/LIR) satisfies the evaluation 
 threshold of past address utilisation in terms of assigned address space 
 in units of /56 blocks."   (5.2.1, discussion on ipv6-ops at cluenet.de)

   [came up in discussion on the ipv6-ops list, presentation by Gert Doering]


   o "end site" definition - RIPE 481, 2.9
     2 ADSL links, not connected networks, same legal organization
     -> is there a conflict or not?  1 /48 or 2? 
     do we need to change the policy / clarify the policy text?

     [came up in discussion between the WG chairs, presentation by 
      Sander Steffann, discussion]


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Wednesday, 11:00-12:30
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G. Discussion of open policy proposals, not "PI related"

2010-01 Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies		[15 min]
	(Nick Hilliard)
	[ONGOING]


H. Discussion of open policy proposals, "PI related"

2006-05 PI Assignment Size					[15 min]
        (Nick Hilliard)
	[ONGOING / REVIVED]

2010-07 Ambiguity cleanup on IPv6 Address Space Policy for IXP	[10 min]
	(presentation by Sergi Polischuk)
	[NEW policy proposal]


I. Even More Rough Edges of the current policies			[45 min]

   o definition of "openness" in the IPv6 EIX policy

     initiated by 2010-07, but widening the scope from "wording change"
     to "figure out what the policy should be, *then* talk about specific
     wording"

     [presentation by Gert Doering, discussion]


   o generic IPv6 PI discussion(?)

     Presentation from Alex Le Heux from the NCC RS on PI "background info":

       o PI size distribution and its history (growing assignments)
	 [background info]

       o IPv6 PI vs. IPv4 PI - background data
	 [background info]

     differences between IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI are being discussed since 
     RIPE 59 - but no specific proposals on the table yet.  Is there a
     need to change the policy, or is it "mostly fine"?

     [presentation by Gert Doering, discussion]



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Thursday, 09:00-10:30
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T. Discussion of open policy proposals (part II)

2010-05 Global Policy for IPv4 Allocation by the IANA 		[15 min]
	post exhaustion (Jason Schiller et. al.)
	[NEW policy proposal]

	mudfight between ARIN CEO and whoever feels like it	[15 min]

2008-08 Initial Certification Policy for PA Space Holders	[15 min]
        (Nigel Titley, CA TF - version 2 update)
	[ONGOING]

2010-02 Allocations from the last /8				[15 min]
        (new combined proposal from Philip Smith and Alain Bidron)
	[ONGOING]


Y. Open Policy Hour

  "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you
  have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting
  it, here is your opportunity."  (Idea from ARIN policy meeting)


  o Martin Hannigan / Jason Schiller: proposal about Inter-RIR transfers


Z. AOB
-- 
did you enable IPv6 on something today...?

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