[address-policy-wg] RIPE staff vs Court

On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:

> Marco,
>
> I'm not comlaining for a certain hostmaster. I'm trying to adjust a
> policy when one man with their feeling or opinion can't drop down
> somebody's business.
>
> The difference is very big: will you go through arbitration BEFORE or
> AFTER the blackdown of your network.


Well technically there are no ways for the NCC to stop you from using  
the IP addresses although they will be flagged as bogon in a lot of  
systems. Secondly, the document you point to (RIPE-475) has some clear  
guidelines in 4.2.1, which gives you 30 days to respond and resolve  
any issues. Now either your contact details are out of date and you  
missed an email, but you should still have a couple of weeks at least.

In respect to your orginal comments, the full article here states:

> "The RIPE NCC will de-register the independent Internet number  
> resources in case of a fundamental breach of contract by the End  
> User, supported by a Dutch court order; or
> Violation of Law by the End User, supported by a Dutch court order;  
> or violation of RIPE Policy by the End User."
>
No where there is any mention it is a one man job to decide wether  
there is a violation, it says 'RIPE NCC' which is a legal entity, who  
in it's turn has a bunch of people on the payroll to check wether  
allocation and assignment policies are followed. Now obviously it can  
be the case that one IPRA on it's own decides the assignment is no  
longer valid accoording to RIPE-471 but my guess is that in case of  
any doubt things are double checked before the axe is raised and if  
they do so, you should have some time to respond, ask them to explain  
what happened and possibly talk to another hostmaster. If this all  
fails you have the arbitration procedure.

As far as AP is concerned I don't see how we can help, you have a  
conflict with the NCC not with the community. This has no relation  
with assignment and allocation guidelines, they are all there and  
pretty clear. They are also very clear what happens if you don't  
confirm to the policy and which enitity makes that decission, it's the  
RIPE NCC a group of people who are in a seperate legal enitity and who  
are controlled by and finally paid for by the members.

Your position to ask for and I quote "...OUR COMMUNITY COURT-LIKE  
STRUCTURE" is there, it's called RIPE-174.

MarcoH