[address-policy-wg] Revised 2007-01 moved back to Review Period (Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC)

Florian and all,

  I for one agree with your conclusion.  I do have a question.
Whom is doing the policing of RIPE's PI space/routing?
Is that ICANN/IANA or is such policing done at all?  Or
are the LIR's supposed to do such policing themselves without
oversight?

Florian Weimer wrote:

> * Shane Kerr:
>
> > I also don't speak for any member, but I think revoking assignments is
> > a fantastic idea.
> >
> > In fact, I don't see how it makes sense to do otherwise.
>
> I think it depends on the question whether address space is a scarce
> resource.  Current RIPE policies do not actually treat it as such.  And
> if IPv6 is inevitable, it's not really cost-effective to scrape together
> legacy resources.  You burn through RIPE funds to gain perhaps a year or
> two during which you can carry on with the legacy assignment processes.
> But nobody knows how many disputes will occur--it could happen that RIPE
> NCC believes that it's still got legacy resources distribute, but know
> wants to touch them with a three-meter pole.
>
> > Someone claims to be the authorized user of some addresses. *Nobody*
> > has any relationship wth this person. The only evidence you have is
> > that at one time in the past someone was assigned the addresses.
>
> If there's no other claim to those addresses, what harm is done?
>
> > Sure, I can call the people peering with the originator of the
> > advertisement, and see why they are carrying the traffic. They might
> > or might not be willing to give me that information, or privacy or
> > business reasons. Also, all because it is convenient for them to carry
> > the advertisements does not mean somebody else won't do the same
> > thing for the same space for a different originator. And finally, we
> > have a perfectly workable system so I don't *have* to go through this
> > kind of nonsense: the RIR system.
>
> The RIR system does not prevent address space hijacking.  I don't think
> I can call RIPE NCC and demand that they stop it if it affects one of my
> prefixes.  RIPE NCC hasn't got a routing police.
>
> > If people are unwilling to sign a contract which basically says, "I am
> > using this address space", then take their space back. It's not scary,
> > really.
>
> We don't know what will be in the contract.  I can't envision how many
> PI-space owners would agree to things like this:
>
> | Notice that none of the provider independent resources may be
> | sub-assigned to a third party
>
> | Notice that the resource holder is obliged to pay an annual fee to the
> | LIR for the resources
>
> | A clear statement that the use of resources is subject to RIPE
> | policies as published on the RIPE web site and which may be amended
> | from time to time
>
> First point seems to imply that I can't run certain services
> (e.g. hosting) from PI space.  Second point requires me to set up
> billing procedures which might not exist yet.  Third point subjects me
> to the whim of the RIPE processes (which might implement yearly fees
> payable to RIPE in the future, for instance).
>
> I don't think it's a good idea to give resources to end users without
> any means of contacting them after the assignment.  But I think the
> current proposal is not ready for implementation.

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